Western Canadian Independance

[jazz]

Sheer is no different.

That may be true. Sheer is just a placeholder until skippy can be punted with some hope the socialist cabal can be reasoned with, but that is unlikely.

But the math that Peter Zeihan has put forward is undeniable. AB (and SK) contribution to equalization will have to triple to keep this country afloat. The feds are trying to make moves that keep Ab locked in Canada so they can suck the payments off forever. This is not sustainable.

[chuckChuck]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

[jazz]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

Who on earth is talking about Quebec farmers? Western farmers get no subsidies and the last time I was at FCC, their interest rate is a pt higher than the banks. Crop insurance is a program that we help fund with premiums. Nobody I know has gotten a dime from Agstability in the past decade. Does Bombardier have anything like that.

When you wake up chuck, instead of posting drivel, go dip your head in some ice water.

[Daylate]

I hope Trudeau gets in again. It's the only thing that could push the west in the inevitable direction it needs to go for it's own well-being.

[Hamloc]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

I am curious how the level of government support for farmers in Canada compares to the EU or the United States? I think Chuck you would find we receive less. As for FCC, the line of credit at the fertilizer dealer is interest free for a period of time, then it is prime plus 2. My bank is prime plus 1.25. Last time I talked to them about interest rates on land purchases, about 2 months ago their rate was just under 5%, Doesnt sound below market to me!

I will agree with you on one point there certainly is no free marke! Too many governments and big companies pulling the strings!

[chuckChuck]

Who on earth is talking about Quebec farmers? Western farmers get no subsidies and the last time I was at FCC, their interest rate is a pt higher than the banks. Crop insurance is a program that we help fund with premiums. Nobody I know has gotten a dime from Agstability in the past decade. Does Bombardier have anything like that.

When you wake up chuck, instead of posting drivel, go dip your head in some ice water.

Jazz you better check your facts.

Crop insurance premiums are 1/2 paid for by the feds and the provinces. Your Agrinvest account gets a matching deposit from governments. FCC is s state run competitor to the banks regardless of the current rates. Why not get rid of it and let the market take over the financing of agriculture?

Agristability pays out significant amounts of taxpayers dollars to farms when disaster strikes and margins fall. $200 million last year in Saskatchewan I believe. Number needs to be checked.

Some these are good and needed programs. But your statement western farmers receive no subsidies is wrong.

[bucket]

When grain prices in Canada are set in the US that subsidizes their farmers ....there isn't a free/open market....

But they do have accountable and transparent reporting that help make those decisions.....

[foragefarmer]

When Scheer described himself as Smiling Harper 2.0 he wasn't kidding. Smiling 2.0 can't even come up with an original attack ad against Trudeau. His "Never Ready" ad is knock off to Closest Boy's 2015 attack ad "Just Not Ready" ad. Even the same actors are being used in the 2019 ad as the 2015 ad.

We all know how successful the Cons were in Oct 2015.

Scheer is as much qualified to be PM of Canada as Trudeau is. The Con's really blew their opportunity to defeat the Liberals, but they weren't even smart enough to put the right leader of their party in charge.

Jazz

You go ahead and send your money to the political party of your choice, I'll keep mine in my pocket as I always have! Nothing worse than making bad investments with one's hard earned money!

[tubs]

The whole problem with the conservative is they have to suck up to eastern voters just to have a chance of getting into office. That is why harper could not do much in western Canada. Another big problem is is our leftists media and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Somehow we have to change politics you look at all the rhetoric it these politician are more interested how they can get reelected than doing things that are good for the country.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The whole problem with the conservative is they have to suck up to eastern voters just to have a chance of getting into office. That is why harper could not do much in western Canada. Another big problem is is our leftists media and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Somehow we have to change politics you look at all the rhetoric it these politician are more interested how they can get reelected than doing things that are good for the country.

Which is exactly why it won't matter who we elect, or which party we send our money to, they either have to pander to the ROC at the expense of western Canada, or commit political suicide. Leaving is our only option, and a republican president is more likely to be interested in adding a few more right of center states than a Democrat would be, so we need to act within the next 5 years before the Democrats have a chance to get their act together.

[jazz]

dems flood in a few million hispanic illegals give them the vote. GOP annexes AB and Sask in response. I would love to see the US tanks roll down the streets while the east watches their golden goose stolen in front of their eyes. Then skippy can go be PM of Quebec or whatever.

[the big wheel]

The socialists includes farmers who receive over 3 billion dollars in annual subsidies in Canada. Most of which is safety nets and access to generous and below market credit terms from the FCC.

Plus supply managed farmers receive the states protection with tariffs and border import controls with guaranteed cost of production formulas.

Let us know when you find your utopian free market paradise. It certainly doesn't exist in any G7 or G20 country that I know of.

Where are you getting these stupid *** numbers
Dairy ?