Volunteer Canola not treated can withstand anything mother nature throws at it.

[Oliver88]

It’s like you say we’re being F$&ked royally for shit. Basic shit seed.

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Have any lessons been learned considering $80/acre for canola seed doesn’t even guarantee good survival rates?

[farmaholic]

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Have any lessons been learned considering $80/acre for canola seed doesn’t even guarantee good survival rates?

I was going to bring this up but got sidetracked.

The SeedCo's are wringing their hands and salivating in anticipation of bringing everything under the canola model.

Imagine "having" to buy seed treatments and dressings without saying no thanks , because that is the way it comes!




All these genetics and chemistries are marketed like a "sure" thing with calender picture perfect pictures and testimonials that surely can't be biased, edited or prescripted

[grassfarmer]

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Fear not, it's just the lull after the fake "consultation" period. It's still on track.

[fjlip]

How about Trueflex? What do others see? Our field is obviously less vigorous, slower growing smaller plants. But greatest new tech! Cutworms fleas beat the hell out of Helix treated but hardly touched Lumiderm treated here.

[jamesb]

I have asked if I could buy untreated canola seed from a retailer....nope...

If everyone sprays after buying 80 dollar an acre seed why bother treating it?

Based on what I see from untreated mustard seed and canola volunteers it seems they can come out quicker and stay ahead of the problems..

What would be wrong with using contans and seeding untreated seed and spraying with pounce?

Actually there is a guy selling off patent Liberty canola seed this spring, I am told same guy who sells the off patent soybean seed. From what I hear that the seed treatment provided wasn't up to flea beetle pressure and something different will be needed. I understand it was supposed to be similar to 5440.

[furrowtickler]

I was going to bring this up but got sidetracked.

The SeedCo's are wringing their hands and salivating in anticipation of bringing everything under the canola model.

Imagine "having" to buy seed treatments and dressings without saying no thanks , because that is the way it comes!

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All these genetics and chemistries are marketed like a "sure" thing with calender picture perfect pictures and testimonials that surely can't be biased, edited or prescripted

Is that Tom4cwb ???????

[Guest]

How about Trueflex? What do others see? Our field is obviously less vigorous, slower growing smaller plants. But greatest new tech! Cutworms fleas beat the hell out of Helix treated but hardly touched Lumiderm treated here.

Thats why I always let someone else do the R&D on new varieties
However i did grow L233P this year because other people said it was a good variety
What a shit variety it is ? , its half the stand of Pioneer P501L ??
Asked one nieghbor who grew it last year
He said “i didnt really like it but i grew it again”
WTF ?????

[Guest]

Volunteer canola is a weed. Far tougher than seed. It is a real problem in Soybeans.

Oh ? , so why dont they model it off of volunteer canola ?
Maybe someone should leave a volunteer crop and harvest it for seed ? FFS ?

[Blaithin]

Got to wonder if some of those seed treatments inhibit germination and weaken the seedlings when they do emerge.

I've heard they affect germination. I'll have to ask the guy if he's got sources to back it up or it's just anecdotal though.

He's British and they have funny reg's about what they can and can't use so maybe he's not really used to seed treatments.

[malleefarmer]

I've heard they affect germination. I'll have to ask the guy if he's got sources to back it up or it's just anecdotal though.

He's British and they have funny reg's about what they can and can't use so maybe he's not really used to seed treatments.

No canola expert but most agros here suggest that once a canola seed gets more than 2 seed treatments germination is affected.

In australia there are hybrids and open pollinates. Open you can keep seed and keep on keeping it. Hybrids most guys keep seed one year only from hybrids loses vigour and traits but not so with opens.

A guy in a dreier enviornment than me if thats posssible bought seed of the latest and greatest canola 15 yrs ago and has been keeping seed from it ever since. Apparently yeilds almost the same as "modern types".

Im talking ulta low yielding enviorment.

[Guest]

Oh , they dont just deregister old (good) varieties of wheat, canola , etc., like they do here so you cant grow them anymore?
And tell you the customer doesnt want it ?
Do you hafta pay a seed tax on that canola? To grow it again ?

[Guest]

Fear not, it's just the lull after the fake "consultation" period. It's still on track.

Only thing tge dumb f$&ks are forgetting here is that there is no more to give on cereals
The seed tax people are like the horny old pervert thinking with his little head instead of his big one , greedy , beyond belief
They have completely lost touch with reality and these new varieties are a f&$king joke
Anybody getting any better yield/quality outta hrsw than they were 20 yrs ago????

[Blaithin]

Oh , they dont just deregister old (good) varieties of wheat, canola , etc., like they do here so you cant grow them anymore?
And tell you the customer doesnt want it ?
Do you hafta pay a seed tax on that canola? To grow it again ?

They could make a new class just to put any unwanted varieties in. But then you wouldn’t be able to visually distinguish classes from each other.

Wait....

[sawfly1]

I have no problem for them charging
What ever . They want for their better mouse trap.
(UNLESS it is a live saving drug)

The problem lies in the old varieties not becoming public after patents expire.
Bury them destroy them ,delist them. Or never let farmers actually own them.(grower use agreements) For replanting.

Our laws protect their innovation. And in return in 15
Years , they should become public
Property.
If that happens , the market
Will determine the value of their
Innovation fairly.

If they cost more than the benefit they provide , nobody will
Buy them.

If 2 or 3 seed companies own and control all the seed .
They can charge whatever they
Want.
In that case there is not a lot of incentive to make something better.
When you are the only game in town. You have no choice but to pay what they want eg.canola.

The method by which they collect
And police is not the problem.

The problem is they control
The entire supply.
No matter the payment method
You will never buy a seed that you
Will ever own outright.
Even with an expired patent .
It is not yours to replant ever.

That is the reason for the police state royalty collection plan..
All ready to go

Of course they might be nice at first. But just wait.
.

[sawfly1]

And for the Tom's of this world
That are thinking , they might get to cash in a little bit more .

With people having to pay a royalty on saved seed anyway.

That certified seed will be in big demand.
Maybe not.

In some ways seed growers are even more expendable than ever..

Seed co.s will collect ,
No matter what.
So why give the seed grower
A cut anymore than you have to.

You have become redundant in the
Royalty collection game..

Are these companies really so concerned that farmers should plant certified.

Or do they just want the money.
I think the later