Volunteer Canola not treated can withstand anything mother nature throws at it.

[farmaholic]

I have asked if I could buy untreated canola seed from a retailer....nope...

If everyone sprays after buying 80 dollar an acre seed why bother treating it?

Based on what I see from untreated mustard seed and canola volunteers it seems they can come out quicker and stay ahead of the problems..

What would be wrong with using contans and seeding untreated seed and spraying with pounce?

And how would you expect those poor famished SeedCo/ChemCo to make any money.

We are dealing with a huge rip-off scam. What ever the market will bear. And people are still buying the scam. Prosper and Helix are a ****ing joke. Lumiderm products are stoopid expensive....what would the true flea beetle rate cost? We are being fleeced. Ask someone what the applied rate of Lumiderm is on the seed, how many mls/100kg of seed....silence on the other end of the phone or a blank stare in person. Don't ask hard questions, just swallow hard and pay! Look at the difference between the cutworm and flea beetle rate...how much more do you want to pay? ....it is already staggeringly over priced at the low rate.

Upcharge for shit value. We are being treated like fools.
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[SASKFARMER]

It’s like you say we’re being F$&ked royally for shit. Basic shit seed.

[jazz]

It’s like you say we’re being F$&ked royally for shit. Basic shit seed.

Remember when Monsanto went to try to a create a seed that grew like a demon for one year then quit after that so they could make farmers buy it every year?

Guess life had other plans. There is no tinkering with the code of life to make it terminate when egg head scientists want. This DNA is billions of yrs old. Selective single yr survival cannot be engineered. I suspect these hybrids are mutating wildly in the environment. Be just like G2 mustard in a few yrs probably.

[Oliver88]

It’s like you say we’re being F$&ked royally for shit. Basic shit seed.

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Have any lessons been learned considering $80/acre for canola seed doesn’t even guarantee good survival rates?

[farmaholic]

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Have any lessons been learned considering $80/acre for canola seed doesn’t even guarantee good survival rates?

I was going to bring this up but got sidetracked.

The SeedCo's are wringing their hands and salivating in anticipation of bringing everything under the canola model.

Imagine "having" to buy seed treatments and dressings without saying no thanks , because that is the way it comes!




All these genetics and chemistries are marketed like a "sure" thing with calender picture perfect pictures and testimonials that surely can't be biased, edited or prescripted

[grassfarmer]

The seed tax lobby has been very silent for the last few months.

Fear not, it's just the lull after the fake "consultation" period. It's still on track.

[fjlip]

How about Trueflex? What do others see? Our field is obviously less vigorous, slower growing smaller plants. But greatest new tech! Cutworms fleas beat the hell out of Helix treated but hardly touched Lumiderm treated here.

[jamesb]

I have asked if I could buy untreated canola seed from a retailer....nope...

If everyone sprays after buying 80 dollar an acre seed why bother treating it?

Based on what I see from untreated mustard seed and canola volunteers it seems they can come out quicker and stay ahead of the problems..

What would be wrong with using contans and seeding untreated seed and spraying with pounce?

Actually there is a guy selling off patent Liberty canola seed this spring, I am told same guy who sells the off patent soybean seed. From what I hear that the seed treatment provided wasn't up to flea beetle pressure and something different will be needed. I understand it was supposed to be similar to 5440.

[furrowtickler]

I was going to bring this up but got sidetracked.

The SeedCo's are wringing their hands and salivating in anticipation of bringing everything under the canola model.

Imagine "having" to buy seed treatments and dressings without saying no thanks , because that is the way it comes!

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All these genetics and chemistries are marketed like a "sure" thing with calender picture perfect pictures and testimonials that surely can't be biased, edited or prescripted

Is that Tom4cwb ???????

[Guest]

How about Trueflex? What do others see? Our field is obviously less vigorous, slower growing smaller plants. But greatest new tech! Cutworms fleas beat the hell out of Helix treated but hardly touched Lumiderm treated here.

Thats why I always let someone else do the R&D on new varieties
However i did grow L233P this year because other people said it was a good variety
What a shit variety it is ? , its half the stand of Pioneer P501L ??
Asked one nieghbor who grew it last year
He said “i didnt really like it but i grew it again”
WTF ?????

[Guest]

Volunteer canola is a weed. Far tougher than seed. It is a real problem in Soybeans.

Oh ? , so why dont they model it off of volunteer canola ?
Maybe someone should leave a volunteer crop and harvest it for seed ? FFS ?

[Blaithin]

Got to wonder if some of those seed treatments inhibit germination and weaken the seedlings when they do emerge.

I've heard they affect germination. I'll have to ask the guy if he's got sources to back it up or it's just anecdotal though.

He's British and they have funny reg's about what they can and can't use so maybe he's not really used to seed treatments.