Volunteer Canola not treated can withstand anything mother nature throws at it.

[malleefarmer]

I've heard they affect germination. I'll have to ask the guy if he's got sources to back it up or it's just anecdotal though.

He's British and they have funny reg's about what they can and can't use so maybe he's not really used to seed treatments.

No canola expert but most agros here suggest that once a canola seed gets more than 2 seed treatments germination is affected.

In australia there are hybrids and open pollinates. Open you can keep seed and keep on keeping it. Hybrids most guys keep seed one year only from hybrids loses vigour and traits but not so with opens.

A guy in a dreier enviornment than me if thats posssible bought seed of the latest and greatest canola 15 yrs ago and has been keeping seed from it ever since. Apparently yeilds almost the same as "modern types".

Im talking ulta low yielding enviorment.

[Guest]

Oh , they dont just deregister old (good) varieties of wheat, canola , etc., like they do here so you cant grow them anymore?
And tell you the customer doesnt want it ?
Do you hafta pay a seed tax on that canola? To grow it again ?

[Guest]

Fear not, it's just the lull after the fake "consultation" period. It's still on track.

Only thing tge dumb f$&ks are forgetting here is that there is no more to give on cereals
The seed tax people are like the horny old pervert thinking with his little head instead of his big one , greedy , beyond belief
They have completely lost touch with reality and these new varieties are a f&$king joke
Anybody getting any better yield/quality outta hrsw than they were 20 yrs ago????

[Blaithin]

Oh , they dont just deregister old (good) varieties of wheat, canola , etc., like they do here so you cant grow them anymore?
And tell you the customer doesnt want it ?
Do you hafta pay a seed tax on that canola? To grow it again ?

They could make a new class just to put any unwanted varieties in. But then you wouldn’t be able to visually distinguish classes from each other.

Wait....

[sawfly1]

I have no problem for them charging
What ever . They want for their better mouse trap.
(UNLESS it is a live saving drug)

The problem lies in the old varieties not becoming public after patents expire.
Bury them destroy them ,delist them. Or never let farmers actually own them.(grower use agreements) For replanting.

Our laws protect their innovation. And in return in 15
Years , they should become public
Property.
If that happens , the market
Will determine the value of their
Innovation fairly.

If they cost more than the benefit they provide , nobody will
Buy them.

If 2 or 3 seed companies own and control all the seed .
They can charge whatever they
Want.
In that case there is not a lot of incentive to make something better.
When you are the only game in town. You have no choice but to pay what they want eg.canola.

The method by which they collect
And police is not the problem.

The problem is they control
The entire supply.
No matter the payment method
You will never buy a seed that you
Will ever own outright.
Even with an expired patent .
It is not yours to replant ever.

That is the reason for the police state royalty collection plan..
All ready to go

Of course they might be nice at first. But just wait.
.

[sawfly1]

And for the Tom's of this world
That are thinking , they might get to cash in a little bit more .

With people having to pay a royalty on saved seed anyway.

That certified seed will be in big demand.
Maybe not.

In some ways seed growers are even more expendable than ever..

Seed co.s will collect ,
No matter what.
So why give the seed grower
A cut anymore than you have to.

You have become redundant in the
Royalty collection game..

Are these companies really so concerned that farmers should plant certified.

Or do they just want the money.
I think the later

[malleefarmer]

One of the best farmers in WA you guys may have heard of him nickname No Till Bill pioneer of "modern" farming practices basically farms along side the desert but respected world wide.

Been known to buy dustbowls and turn them around in 3 to 5 years, still guys in OZ that cultivate the begeebers out of everything hes gone a long way to changing that and puts his money were his mouth is.

He grows a wheat that was released in 2007 his mainstay variety.

What usually happens here they get down graded to one notch below our standard about a $10 per tone called ASW australian standard white.

But some of our old top notch milling/flour wheats are still sought after just yield less.

Same may happen over there new wheats yield yield yield but quality often is just of the pace but maths suggested higher at less price your ahead.

[the big wheel]

One of the best farmers in WA you guys may have heard of him nickname No Till Bill pioneer of "modern" farming practices basically farms along side the desert but respected world wide.

Been known to buy dustbowls and turn them around in 3 to 5 years, still guys in OZ that cultivate the begeebers out of everything hes gone a long way to changing that and puts his money were his mouth is.

He grows a wheat that was released in 2007 his mainstay variety.

What usually happens here they get down graded to one notch below our standard about a $10 per tone called ASW australian standard white.

But some of our old top notch milling/flour wheats are still sought after just yield less.

Same may happen over there new wheats yield yield yield but quality often is just of the pace but maths suggested higher at less price your ahead.

That has become the name of the game whether some will admit it or not. Produce volume for less. Which is fine I have no problem with that except. Volume means more storage and handling cost. Which is more money for elevators and railroads etc.
More volume requires more inputs larger equipment that’s all a larger cost to me bigger revenue for input companies and equipment manufacturers.
And that may still be fine if the revenue is there but if you have a wipeout like we have this year all those increased costs are not covered by current insurances etc. And we have to wait a whole year to try again with the cost of living and expenses for another year to be paid.
Nobody is addressing the shift of risk to the primary producer the way it should be addressed.

[MBgrower]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

[malleefarmer]

Another bone is nearly all new varieties have less leaf disease resistance particularly stripe and leaf rust.

Stripe rust (Puccinia striiformis f. sp. tritici) and leaf rust (Puccinia triticina)

Yep they have high yeild as long as fungicide is applied once or twice.

Those of us in dry areas its questionable.

Still on same topic, grinds my gears in trials of new types they again always apply fungicides wether needed or not. There are huge efforts to breed rust resistance but "trials show they yeild 15 to 20% less" but they never do a trial with no fungicide to prove how good resistant types are.

To a degree plant breeders control trial to suit there agenda

[grassfarmer]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

Look at the Canola Council of Canada Directors page, see who they represent and you'll see why the interests of the primary producer aren't their first priority - quite the rogues gallery - Bunge, Louis Dreyfus, ADM, Cargill, P&H, Viterra, BASF, Bayer. Geez, you wonder why "producer groups" aren't fighting harder for farmers interests.

http://www.canolacouncil.org/what-we-do/board-of-directors/ http://https://www.canolacouncil.org/what-we-do/board-of-directors/

[MBgrower]

exactly. our check-off fees fund this nightmare. time for it to end.