Volunteer Canola not treated can withstand anything mother nature throws at it.

[malleefarmer]

One of the best farmers in WA you guys may have heard of him nickname No Till Bill pioneer of "modern" farming practices basically farms along side the desert but respected world wide.

Been known to buy dustbowls and turn them around in 3 to 5 years, still guys in OZ that cultivate the begeebers out of everything hes gone a long way to changing that and puts his money were his mouth is.

He grows a wheat that was released in 2007 his mainstay variety.

What usually happens here they get down graded to one notch below our standard about a $10 per tone called ASW australian standard white.

But some of our old top notch milling/flour wheats are still sought after just yield less.

Same may happen over there new wheats yield yield yield but quality often is just of the pace but maths suggested higher at less price your ahead.

[the big wheel]

One of the best farmers in WA you guys may have heard of him nickname No Till Bill pioneer of "modern" farming practices basically farms along side the desert but respected world wide.

Been known to buy dustbowls and turn them around in 3 to 5 years, still guys in OZ that cultivate the begeebers out of everything hes gone a long way to changing that and puts his money were his mouth is.

He grows a wheat that was released in 2007 his mainstay variety.

What usually happens here they get down graded to one notch below our standard about a $10 per tone called ASW australian standard white.

But some of our old top notch milling/flour wheats are still sought after just yield less.

Same may happen over there new wheats yield yield yield but quality often is just of the pace but maths suggested higher at less price your ahead.

That has become the name of the game whether some will admit it or not. Produce volume for less. Which is fine I have no problem with that except. Volume means more storage and handling cost. Which is more money for elevators and railroads etc.
More volume requires more inputs larger equipment that’s all a larger cost to me bigger revenue for input companies and equipment manufacturers.
And that may still be fine if the revenue is there but if you have a wipeout like we have this year all those increased costs are not covered by current insurances etc. And we have to wait a whole year to try again with the cost of living and expenses for another year to be paid.
Nobody is addressing the shift of risk to the primary producer the way it should be addressed.

[MBgrower]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

[malleefarmer]

Another bone is nearly all new varieties have less leaf disease resistance particularly stripe and leaf rust.

Stripe rust (Puccinia striiformis f. sp. tritici) and leaf rust (Puccinia triticina)

Yep they have high yeild as long as fungicide is applied once or twice.

Those of us in dry areas its questionable.

Still on same topic, grinds my gears in trials of new types they again always apply fungicides wether needed or not. There are huge efforts to breed rust resistance but "trials show they yeild 15 to 20% less" but they never do a trial with no fungicide to prove how good resistant types are.

To a degree plant breeders control trial to suit there agenda

[grassfarmer]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

Look at the Canola Council of Canada Directors page, see who they represent and you'll see why the interests of the primary producer aren't their first priority - quite the rogues gallery - Bunge, Louis Dreyfus, ADM, Cargill, P&H, Viterra, BASF, Bayer. Geez, you wonder why "producer groups" aren't fighting harder for farmers interests.

http://www.canolacouncil.org/what-we-do/board-of-directors/ http://https://www.canolacouncil.org/what-we-do/board-of-directors/

[MBgrower]

exactly. our check-off fees fund this nightmare. time for it to end.

[farmaholic]

I should know this but don't. Do our check-offs go to the Canola Growers Association which in turn "donates" some to the Canola Council of Canada?

The Canola Council probably doesn't have the Producer's best interest at the top of their list. Well maybe they care enough to keep us doing it so they can profit from our risk and work.

[Guest]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

holy shit mb. , thats funny !
about as much chance of that happening as flying to the moon ?
their masters would slap their pee-pees

[the big wheel]

Canola council could perhaps run varietal trials across the west testing old vs new varieties, open pollinated vs hybrid, bin run vs certified, treated vs non treated across the prairies and calculate the benefits of the current $80/acre canola seed. What is it that they do for the primary producer?

Id sure like to see that done. How can we actually do this? It shouldn’t be a problem if the new varieties are so good they should smoke the old ones. I bet they wouldn’t.

[grassfarmer]

Id sure like to see that done. How can we actually do this? It shouldn’t be a problem if the new varieties are so good they should smoke the old ones. I bet they wouldn’t.

On the grazing/livestock side we have forage associations - typically some provincial Government funding in them but with producer run boards. These are increasingly the last bastion of independent research but even so as Governments cut funding the corporate interests are waiting on the sidelines to become "sponsors" and you have to fight pretty hard to keep them out.

I know one of those groups in Alberta that did more on the crop side was Chinook Applied Research Association. Might be worth checking them out
http://chinookappliedresearch.ca http://http://chinookappliedresearch.ca

[farmaholic]

holy shit mb. , thats funny !
about as much chance of that happening as flying to the moon ?
their masters would slap their pee-pees

Bet if you rock the boat you go overboard....those boards are a huge ego boost for the lowly farmers. Just think...hob-knobbing with the corporate elite....feasting at the Industry banquet table with Kings and Knights....brushing crumbs from the banquet table to the peasants under it.

And with that sarcastic attitude....indicates why I am not board material.

[Guest]

Tried a couple but i too, lack tact and diplomacy
Also have a hard time turning a blind eye

[MBgrower]

I should know this but don't. Do our check-offs go to the Canola Growers Association which in turn "donates" some to the Canola Council of Canada?

The Canola Council probably doesn't have the Producer's best interest at the top of their list. Well maybe they care enough to keep us doing it so they can profit from our risk and work.

The canola growers hands the money over to the council. if this tap were to be turned off, the council would close its doors.