Your Rights Were Violated

[malleefarmer]

Sorry for sounding like a numbskull but if you get pulled over and your 0.02 which is maybe one can of full strength beer you could still be in the shit ?

The onus is on you to prove youve had no more?

To cut out any grey areas you guys will ahve to move to even lower BAC think some EU countries are 0.02

You know if its 45c here, a friday or sat night, hot as a snakes wizzer my son and i will cook a bbq drink a box of mid strength 3.5% go to bed think nothing of it get and go to work next day. Missus might chip in and have one or two.

But usually only fri or sat nights id be stuffed if i lived in canada.

Have to admit i enjoyed visiting bars in small towns and chatting with locals in canada in 2017 cougars bar in turner valley were so hospitable hardly had to buy a beer looked like a rough joint but people had hearts of gold

[Blaithin]

I have little tolerance of anyone driving even after a couple of drinks so it doesn’t really bother me when they lower the legal limit.

But this hold you accountable after you’ve been at home two hours bit.... I wonder if they require eyewitnesses in order to prosecute. If someone calls in your vehicle and says they suspect you of driving drunk and the PO shows up 1.5 hours later at your house... how can they prove it was you? Even if you are drinking at that point. The person who reported you would need to be willing to go on record with it in my mind.

The whole reason you can’t get demerits from speeding or red light cameras is because they can’t prove it was you driving at that time, just that it’s your vehicle. You get the fine but not the charge. So how can they prove it was you driving hours before in order to charge for that.

I get the BAC going up and down part. I know people who have gotten off tickets because they said it’d been a couple hours since their last drink since they knew they were driving and a second test later proved that their BAC was dropping therefore supporting their claim. So charges were dropped. But I just don’t get the charging with no proof it was actually you driving part.

[15444]

Being that I don't drink and have zero tolerance for those that drink and drive, I have no problem with this at all. Nothing more senseless than someone killed by a DD.

[jazz]

Being that I don't drink and have zero tolerance for those that drink and drive, I have no problem with this at all. Nothing more senseless than someone killed by a DD.

Sorry but that view does not justify search, seizure and violation of your person. If we were so concerned about impaired driving then why in the bloody hell did we legalize dope? Maybe people should have been given a choice in the matter like a referendum. Do you support legalization of mary jane if it means Trudeaus jackboot brown shirts can invade your home under suspicion without warrant.

Yeah, that's the kind of fd up country we are living in now.

[macdon02]

Sorry but that view does not justify search, seizure and violation of your person. If we were so concerned about impaired driving then why in the bloody hell did we legalize dope? Maybe people should have been given a choice in the matter like a referendum. Do you support legalization of mary jane if it means Trudeaus jackboot brown shirts can invade your home under suspicion without warrant.

Yeah, that's the kind of fd up country we are living in now.

This is getting a bit of a scent of East German Stasi, what it's doing is buying time to make an arguement "possible" in court, its stacking the deck for the prosecutor.... think the was a youtube video posted here about talking to police and how a prosecutor can make you"appear" to be lying. If not search it if you care, definitely search if you "never lie and only tell the truth". On a side note, my ****tard neighbor that figured he'd get the land i was renting out from under me is gonna be getting a visit..... sarcasm. We are turning into a snitch state, see what happens if you don't call in a control burn these days, every dick and hairy Tom calls it in.

[samhill]

I’m dull witted, but how does a PO come on my property without a search warrant?

[GDR]

I’m dull witted, but how does a PO come on my property without a search warrant?

I understand the concern to a point here but this is not about going door to door doing breathalyzers but when you see your neighbor drive over your mailbox while throwing the empties on your lawn and your kids are riding their bikes down the same road it gives you the ability to report them and have some consequences. And I'm not a snitch but I know of a few abusers that blows my mind that they've never been caught. Having said that bal of anything under .08 is stupid to be punishable.

[macdon02]

I understand the concern to a point here but this is not about going door to door doing breathalyzers but when you see your neighbor drive over your mailbox while throwing the empties on your lawn and your kids are riding their bikes down the same road it gives you the ability to report them and have some consequences. And I'm not a snitch but I know of a few abusers that blows my mind that they've never been caught. Having said that bal of anything under .08 is stupid to be punishable.

Are you safer 2 hours after a criminal offense happens? Ideally it never happens, in today's world you can't be protected from everything. Im not endorsing dnd but where's the line? Do you want govt and police in every aspect of your life because this is where it's leading. Govt will NEVER be proactive and prevent a disaster, but it'll be "vote for me and I'll get who hurt you" if they were proactive we would say "prove you saved me" they let the disaster happen. There's no votes chasing ghosts. The most famous words in a meeting is "well something needs to be done" after the fact.

[farmaholic]

My neighbor got away with a DUI. He flipped a vehicle then got a ride home. The "Good Samaritan" who drove him home called the cops. The cops show up at his place and he smells of booze, he likely had more when he got home! Cops couldn't do anything, no proof he was driving drunk....neighbor said he had a couple drinks when he got home. I know he has a problem. But one finally caught up with him when he had a slow speed light fender bender at an intersection of two highways.

The punishable charges below .08 are meant to be deterrents. If you think those are inconvenient, they pale in comparison to a 08 conviction. Very very very inconvenient and expensive. No insurance, mandatory suspensions, blow boxes ( pay for install and maintenance and can't be moved from vehicle to vehicle without paying to have it moved), higher insurance, fines, restrictions, criminal record.

This better be well thought out by law makers or it will be a heyday for lawyers and overtax the justice system.

[macdon02]

If you want to see the sincerity of govt, look at an issue that infringes on their revenue stream, smoking is bad, no denial, but will they outright ban it? Hell no. Why not? Because it feeds the beast. It's all about self interest. They'll never be preventative only reactive.

[malleefarmer]

Nobody in Aust had issue when BAC was lowered.

0.05 to 0.08 heavy fine over 0.08 loss of licence think minimum 12 months or moves afoot to make it that way. Was always 0.08 until maybe 10 maybe 12 years ago.

Nobody has any issues.

Usually drink low alc beer 2.5% or mid 3.5%.

Changes to laws really have hit country bars though guessing same your way just dont risk DD and loss of licence would make life to hard as a farmer.

[farmaholic]

To me its still too vague. How impaired would you have to be that two hours before driving you wouldn't be sober enough to drive if you never drank two hours before driving. You could be so pissed that two hours isn't enough time to be sober enough to drive.

Same with two hours after driving....I guess you couldn't quickly pound back a couple of doubles as soon as you stopped driving?

This is a little ridiculous. Is this really that much of a problem?

I would never downplay the seriousness of impaired driving.....and maybe people shouldn't get away with it like in my previous post....but this could get ugly