Scheer, chocolate milk?

[macdon02]

Yeah, Woodland I don't buy that fruit is bad for you on account of it's sugar content. It's a naturally occurring sugar and it's not at high levels compared to what is in most manufactured food products. I think that's one of the silliest pieces of dietary advice out there at the moment given how little fruit and vegetables the population as a whole eats. Tell people to eat less fruit - what are they going to replace it with that isn't worse for you?

Id start with ribeye then a high quality cut of porkloin. In that order. Cant grow veggies when there's snow 9 months of the year easily. Fruit is for bad tasting booze. God bless the cattleman. Amen. His day in the sun is coming sooner then the grain farmer. No im not blowing smoke up your ass...look at the charts. Fat cattle bottomed in '16 and canola is only doing it in '19. Assuming that low holds, and grabbing a glance at gold, meats are on the way up carried by inflation. 3 time periods is a reaction, after that it's setting trend.

[rumrocks]

Fructose or corn syrup is just naughty for your liver and pancreas and is found in a lot of processed foods
but not beer, speaking of cold beer we should drink more this summer . . . . . remember last February.

[farmaholic]

My Brother in law cooked his pancreas with a terrible diet(eating habits). He had to go to the hospital because his blood sugar was in the stratosphere, and had other physical symptoms. But NO....... your over 50 and don't ever go see a doctor because you might get a finger shoved up your ass.....stoopid.
I think he is on 15 units of insulin three times a day and a night time dose of slow release.
Instead of dramatically changing his eating habits he chooses to use higher rates of insulin...wow.

Diabetes is one of the most hideous diseases, it's side affects and other problems it can cause is nothing to **** around with.....serious shit.

Hard to help people who refuse to help themselves.

[Hamloc]

Yeah, Woodland I don't buy that fruit is bad for you on account of it's sugar content. It's a naturally occurring sugar and it's not at high levels compared to what is in most manufactured food products. I think that's one of the silliest pieces of dietary advice out there at the moment given how little fruit and vegetables the population as a whole eats. Tell people to eat less fruit - what are they going to replace it with that isn't worse for you?

Actually Grassfarmer, the point my doctor made was that historically fruit is only available certain times of the year, now that we import food from all over the world we can have it any time we please. I have to admit I was surprised as I thought a person could eat as much fruit as you want. His concern is total sugar intake be it natural or refined.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-health-experts-denounce-scheers-comments-on-canadas-food-guide-as/

Anne Hui
National Food Reporter
Published 14 hours ago

Health experts are denouncing Andrew Scheer’s comments on Canada’s Food Guide as “irresponsible” and “disingenuous,” accusing the Conservative Party Leader of ignoring scientific evidence in an attempt to win favour from the dairy industry.

At a meeting with the Dairy Farmers of Canada earlier this week, Mr. Scheer criticized the new Canada’s Food Guide, and pledged that, if elected, he would review recent changes including the reduced emphasis on meat and dairy.

“[The guide] seems to be ideologically driven by people who have a philosophical perspective and a bias against certain types of healthy food products,” he told the group of farmers and producers in Saskatoon. His comments echo the dairy lobby’s arguments, including a statement this week that the new guide “does not fully reflect the most recent and mounting scientific evidence.”

Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor responded immediately to Mr. Scheer on Wednesday, accusing him of “spreading lies.”

And by Thursday, some of Canada’s leading experts on nutrition and health policy – many of whom had helped shape the new guide – also condemned Mr. Scheer’s remarks.

“It’s irresponsible of him,” said Mary L’Abbé, director of the World Health Organization’s Collaborating Centre for Nutrition Policy for Chronic Disease Prevention.

“This was done based on the huge body of evidence that’s clearly well-documented,” said Dr. L’Abbé, who is also a professor of nutrition sciences at the University of Toronto. “What does he want it based on? Not evidence? Lobbying?”

The new Canada’s Food Guide, released in January, represented the first major changes to the influential document since 2007. Since the 1970s, Canada’s food guides had been organized around four food groups, with one of those groups focused on dairy. As a result, Canadians for decades have been told to consume milk and milk products (or dairy alternatives) every day.

The new guide eschews food groups in favour of looser guidelines, such as “have plenty of vegetables and fruits." Dairy products such as yogurt and plain milk are still included as components of a healthy diet, but gone is the explicit advice to consume a specific portion of them.

Another change was Health Canada’s refusal to meet privately with food industry groups during the development process. This was in response to criticisms that previous guides included too much input from the food industry.

On Wednesday, Mr. Scheer echoed the Dairy Farmers of Canada’s complaint of being “shut out” of the process. “The process was flawed – complete lack of consultation,” Mr. Scheer said.

Health Canada conducted nearly two years of consultations leading up to the guide. Although private meetings with lobbyists were banned, the food industry was invited to attend stakeholder round tables, and to participate in public consultations.

But the comment from Mr. Scheer that raised the most eyebrows was his claim that “chocolate milk saved my son’s life.” He explained that his son was a picky eater at a young age and refused to consume most other foods.

“The idea that these types of products we’ve been drinking and eating as human beings for millennia, that now, all of a sudden, they’re unhealthy? It’s ridiculous,” he said.

Dr. L’Abbé called Mr. Scheer’s comment about chocolate milk “disingenuous.” One 500 mL container of chocolate milk contains 50 grams of sugar. Of that, she said 28 grams is added sugar – nearly as much sugar as a Mars bar.

Yoni Freedhoff, an associate professor of family medicine at the University of Ottawa and director of the Bariatric Medical Institute, described the chocolate milk comment as “terrifying."

“It really is a disconcerting thing to see these comments made by a potential future prime minister of Canada, on a national stage,” he said.

When asked to respond to the criticisms of his comments, Mr. Scheer’s office said Canadians know that meat and dairy products are an important part of a balanced diet. Spokesperson Simon Jefferies questioned why the government, if confident in its science, refused to meet with farmers and hear their concerns and evidence.

“This is yet another example of the Trudeau Government’s assault on Canada’s farmers who work hard every single day to put food on our tables,” he said.

In addition to his pledge to review the food guide, Mr. Scheer promised to scrap the Liberal plan to make front-of-package labels mandatory for foods high in sugar, salt and saturated fat.

In his statement, Dairy Farmers of Canada president Pierre Lampron said that milk is an important source of nutrients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc. "[Mr. Scheer’s] comments reflected concerns that many nutritious dairy products would inadvertently be mischaracterized as ‘unhealthy’ ... in spite of their many nutritional and health benefits.”

With a report from Rachel Emmanuel in Ottawa

[chuckChuck]

Scheer claims its an assault on farmers? huh? Which farmers?

Pulse protein processors are building several new plants which will give us a great market to sell to. So pea farmers should be happy about new markets.

Scheer gave his kid the equivalent sugar of a Mars chocolate bar because he was a picky eater? Perhaps Scheer couldn't stand to see his kid cry for a bit? Most parents can figure out how to handle a picky eater without handing them sugary drinks.

Perhaps Scheer needs how learn how to handle the dairy industry? Instead of repeating their speaking notes, try coming up with a balanced approach. The dairy industry has it pretty good already with their supply management protection from the market. But they shouldn't get to write the Canada food guide!

[farmaholic]

Humans must be nearly the only species that drinks another species milk well past infancy.

Sure hasn't seemed to slow down the proliferation of the human species.

Turning milk into something unhealthy by adding more refined sugar maybe isn't the wisest thing.

I can't handle near the amount of sugar I could when I was younger, I guess I don't need that unhealthy energy any more.

[grassfarmer]

Actually Grassfarmer, the point my doctor made was that historically fruit is only available certain times of the year, now that we import food from all over the world we can have it any time we please. I have to admit I was surprised as I thought a person could eat as much fruit as you want. His concern is total sugar intake be it natural or refined.

Sorry Hamloc I wrongly attributed your post to Woodland. Fair enough on seasonality but to treat natural and refined sugar as the same is crazy. I'm amazed how bad dietary advice GPs give out - I used to argue with mine in AB - he was still of the opinion all fat was bad regardless the source.

Here is an explanation on natural versus refined sugar.

http://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2016/08/natural-vs-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference http://https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2016/08/natural-vs-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference

[Taiga]

Go Keto, it will change your life.
Scheer is a disappointment but is the only hope at the moment. I prefer Bernier’s policies but doesn’t look like he has a chance this go around.

[jazz]

Think the lefites dont have the food guide in their sights?

[sumdumguy]

Agree Taiga but no like button for some Reason.

[FarmJunkie]

Which is the best of the 4 morons running? Would still take Scheer over Fidel junior any day. His stupid is more tolerable than that Donk!