Scheer, chocolate milk?

[GDR]

The subject is Scheer and the food guide. Scheer meant to say just milk instead of chocolate milk. Advocating eating less meat and dairy angers those industries. The previous food guide was political in the sense that the food industry had oversized influence. Eating a wide variety of protein sources is a healthy choice. Drinking water instead of pop is a healthy choice. It’s a guide, not a government mandated order. The current guide is based on the latest science. Good nutrition is the foundation of good health. It’s in the public interest to give consumers some guide as to what are healthy choices and what are not. Scheer wants industry to have that role. He is catering to the food industry. Any push to reduce salt and sugar in processed food is met with heavy resistance. Scheer is coddling the industry.

You are right that industry has pushed their agenda in the food guide and advertises their industry as healthier than the alternative but if you think the recent changes were not influenced by the climate change anti meat crowd you are blind!

[bobofthenorth]

Could anyone be worse than the moron leading this country now?
.................
If he gets re-elected, the old cliche about getting the government you deserve will never ring truer.

Fool me once - shame on you.

Fool me twice - shame on me.

[Hamloc]

The subject is Scheer and the food guide. Scheer meant to say just milk instead of chocolate milk. Advocating eating less meat and dairy angers those industries. The previous food guide was political in the sense that the food industry had oversized influence. Eating a wide variety of protein sources is a healthy choice. Drinking water instead of pop is a healthy choice. It’s a guide, not a government mandated order. The current guide is based on the latest science. Good nutrition is the foundation of good health. It’s in the public interest to give consumers some guide as to what are healthy choices and what are not. Scheer wants industry to have that role. He is catering to the food industry. Any push to reduce salt and sugar in processed food is met with heavy resistance. Scheer is coddling the industry.

Annual check up with my doctor a few weeks ago. We were discussing healthier eating. In his opinion the 2 worst things you can eat are processed foods and sugar. So I asked him what he thought of beyond meat. He gave a very firm response, he said beyond meat is a processed food and not at all healthy. He said your healthiest meat(will make Grassfarmer dance) is grass fed beef. He is also a fan of organ meats like heart and liver. One other thing he said that was very interesting was that too much fruit is also bad for you because of the amount of sugar in it. I do agree with all things in moderation. Enjoy your day.

[jazz]

Only 3 food can be confirmed as non processed. Vegetables, milk and non hormone free range meat sources, perhaps full grain breads. Fruit has the shit sprayed out of it. Everything else is processed to the max including all those veggie burgers. My wife and I barely walk the middle of the store. There are rows upon rows of garbage there. A full isle of sugar infused processed breakfast cereals.

[grassfarmer]

Yeah, Woodland I don't buy that fruit is bad for you on account of it's sugar content. It's a naturally occurring sugar and it's not at high levels compared to what is in most manufactured food products. I think that's one of the silliest pieces of dietary advice out there at the moment given how little fruit and vegetables the population as a whole eats. Tell people to eat less fruit - what are they going to replace it with that isn't worse for you?

[macdon02]

Yeah, Woodland I don't buy that fruit is bad for you on account of it's sugar content. It's a naturally occurring sugar and it's not at high levels compared to what is in most manufactured food products. I think that's one of the silliest pieces of dietary advice out there at the moment given how little fruit and vegetables the population as a whole eats. Tell people to eat less fruit - what are they going to replace it with that isn't worse for you?

Id start with ribeye then a high quality cut of porkloin. In that order. Cant grow veggies when there's snow 9 months of the year easily. Fruit is for bad tasting booze. God bless the cattleman. Amen. His day in the sun is coming sooner then the grain farmer. No im not blowing smoke up your ass...look at the charts. Fat cattle bottomed in '16 and canola is only doing it in '19. Assuming that low holds, and grabbing a glance at gold, meats are on the way up carried by inflation. 3 time periods is a reaction, after that it's setting trend.

[rumrocks]

Fructose or corn syrup is just naughty for your liver and pancreas and is found in a lot of processed foods
but not beer, speaking of cold beer we should drink more this summer . . . . . remember last February.

[farmaholic]

My Brother in law cooked his pancreas with a terrible diet(eating habits). He had to go to the hospital because his blood sugar was in the stratosphere, and had other physical symptoms. But NO....... your over 50 and don't ever go see a doctor because you might get a finger shoved up your ass.....stoopid.
I think he is on 15 units of insulin three times a day and a night time dose of slow release.
Instead of dramatically changing his eating habits he chooses to use higher rates of insulin...wow.

Diabetes is one of the most hideous diseases, it's side affects and other problems it can cause is nothing to **** around with.....serious shit.

Hard to help people who refuse to help themselves.

[Hamloc]

Yeah, Woodland I don't buy that fruit is bad for you on account of it's sugar content. It's a naturally occurring sugar and it's not at high levels compared to what is in most manufactured food products. I think that's one of the silliest pieces of dietary advice out there at the moment given how little fruit and vegetables the population as a whole eats. Tell people to eat less fruit - what are they going to replace it with that isn't worse for you?

Actually Grassfarmer, the point my doctor made was that historically fruit is only available certain times of the year, now that we import food from all over the world we can have it any time we please. I have to admit I was surprised as I thought a person could eat as much fruit as you want. His concern is total sugar intake be it natural or refined.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-health-experts-denounce-scheers-comments-on-canadas-food-guide-as/

Anne Hui
National Food Reporter
Published 14 hours ago

Health experts are denouncing Andrew Scheer’s comments on Canada’s Food Guide as “irresponsible” and “disingenuous,” accusing the Conservative Party Leader of ignoring scientific evidence in an attempt to win favour from the dairy industry.

At a meeting with the Dairy Farmers of Canada earlier this week, Mr. Scheer criticized the new Canada’s Food Guide, and pledged that, if elected, he would review recent changes including the reduced emphasis on meat and dairy.

“[The guide] seems to be ideologically driven by people who have a philosophical perspective and a bias against certain types of healthy food products,” he told the group of farmers and producers in Saskatoon. His comments echo the dairy lobby’s arguments, including a statement this week that the new guide “does not fully reflect the most recent and mounting scientific evidence.”

Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor responded immediately to Mr. Scheer on Wednesday, accusing him of “spreading lies.”

And by Thursday, some of Canada’s leading experts on nutrition and health policy – many of whom had helped shape the new guide – also condemned Mr. Scheer’s remarks.

“It’s irresponsible of him,” said Mary L’Abbé, director of the World Health Organization’s Collaborating Centre for Nutrition Policy for Chronic Disease Prevention.

“This was done based on the huge body of evidence that’s clearly well-documented,” said Dr. L’Abbé, who is also a professor of nutrition sciences at the University of Toronto. “What does he want it based on? Not evidence? Lobbying?”

The new Canada’s Food Guide, released in January, represented the first major changes to the influential document since 2007. Since the 1970s, Canada’s food guides had been organized around four food groups, with one of those groups focused on dairy. As a result, Canadians for decades have been told to consume milk and milk products (or dairy alternatives) every day.

The new guide eschews food groups in favour of looser guidelines, such as “have plenty of vegetables and fruits." Dairy products such as yogurt and plain milk are still included as components of a healthy diet, but gone is the explicit advice to consume a specific portion of them.

Another change was Health Canada’s refusal to meet privately with food industry groups during the development process. This was in response to criticisms that previous guides included too much input from the food industry.

On Wednesday, Mr. Scheer echoed the Dairy Farmers of Canada’s complaint of being “shut out” of the process. “The process was flawed – complete lack of consultation,” Mr. Scheer said.

Health Canada conducted nearly two years of consultations leading up to the guide. Although private meetings with lobbyists were banned, the food industry was invited to attend stakeholder round tables, and to participate in public consultations.

But the comment from Mr. Scheer that raised the most eyebrows was his claim that “chocolate milk saved my son’s life.” He explained that his son was a picky eater at a young age and refused to consume most other foods.

“The idea that these types of products we’ve been drinking and eating as human beings for millennia, that now, all of a sudden, they’re unhealthy? It’s ridiculous,” he said.

Dr. L’Abbé called Mr. Scheer’s comment about chocolate milk “disingenuous.” One 500 mL container of chocolate milk contains 50 grams of sugar. Of that, she said 28 grams is added sugar – nearly as much sugar as a Mars bar.

Yoni Freedhoff, an associate professor of family medicine at the University of Ottawa and director of the Bariatric Medical Institute, described the chocolate milk comment as “terrifying."

“It really is a disconcerting thing to see these comments made by a potential future prime minister of Canada, on a national stage,” he said.

When asked to respond to the criticisms of his comments, Mr. Scheer’s office said Canadians know that meat and dairy products are an important part of a balanced diet. Spokesperson Simon Jefferies questioned why the government, if confident in its science, refused to meet with farmers and hear their concerns and evidence.

“This is yet another example of the Trudeau Government’s assault on Canada’s farmers who work hard every single day to put food on our tables,” he said.

In addition to his pledge to review the food guide, Mr. Scheer promised to scrap the Liberal plan to make front-of-package labels mandatory for foods high in sugar, salt and saturated fat.

In his statement, Dairy Farmers of Canada president Pierre Lampron said that milk is an important source of nutrients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc. "[Mr. Scheer’s] comments reflected concerns that many nutritious dairy products would inadvertently be mischaracterized as ‘unhealthy’ ... in spite of their many nutritional and health benefits.”

With a report from Rachel Emmanuel in Ottawa