So...there you have it...Ag ministers promise no immediate help

[farmaholic]

I am not against help for those in need at all. But again I ask, how do we ensure those in actual need get some funds vs sf3s buddy who returned a half million in fungicides?

There is a big difference in how we see need vs. A blanket funding program.

Size is a bit irrelevant, everything is incremental. In fact large operations often enjoy cheaper inputs than those who don't/won't/can't spend enough with a single company to get 25% off their ChemCo inputs.

If I don't need it, I'm not buying it. If it doesn't fit the need of a situation....I'm not buying it. .....just to cash in on a bigger rebate.

But how is it the guy farming 10000 acres is less worthy of a helping hand than the guy farming 2500? I'm talking about disaster relief over and above the suite of risk management already available to everyone and the shortfall in market prices because of POLITICAL interference.

[furrowtickler]

Yes. In some ways you are right indeed. This idea that I am bitter at those who are successful? Why do ppl think I feel this way? In the past I had troubles with my attitude. I admit i struggled with where I started farming vs. most of my neighbors. There were days where I really fought back my self loathing feelings.

But I have come a long ways. I have conquered my former troubles to a large extent.

Now. How do we help those who truly are struggling vs. those who are not?

We have all lost on these current trade issues big time , it in the shitty grain prices .... for all of us.
It’s not wether a person or farm may or may not have money . That’s not the point at all.
Just because a bigger farm than me may seem to be doing fine . We are all getting hit is shit grain prices.
Don’t worry about the guy next door , who cares if they have $100,000 truck .
This is affecting all of us .

[farmaholic]

In the past I had troubles with my attitude. I admit i struggled with where I started farming vs. most of my neighbors. There were days where I really fought back my self loathing feelings.

But I have come a long ways. I have conquered my former troubles to a large extent.

Sheeper, don't take on or blame yourself for things that are out of and beyond your control.

One day at a time. And happiness isn't measured in dollars and cents.
We all came into this world with nothing and we won't take anything with us when we leave either.
The real things that matter can't be bought with money.

[sawfly1]

We have to realize. We are not the only ones hurting right now.

Was with oil guys the other
Night. The subject was how many
Operations , truckers. And vac trucks . Etc. Like a vac truck for 65$/hr. Truckers wearing out trucks for nothing.

And the public perception ,
Rich farmers 90,000$ trailers cabins . Getting govt. Handouts.
That will not fly too good.
With the working guy that can not even write off his car or gas.

And You can not bitch about socialists and in the same thread
Call for ad hoc payments.

[wd9]

Thanks I guess for your concern, it is a serious issue and some need it. But I m certainly not there. Standing up to stupid people that think they are smarter than you or bullshitting their way through an argument I don’t back down from that crap. It’s a major problem within our own industry and the politicians and ag groups use those fools against the rest of us.

It was quite fitting the government release provincially on how to help us farmers through the drought was a few lines about moving the greenfeed deadline back a couple weeks and taking a bigger cash advance and then most of the page was the farm stress line. My reply to you the government is your bullshit response to the situation is why you needed to highlight the farm stress line in the first place.

There’s a few on here also when the September if not August frost comes you’ll be singing a different tune I m sure that’s when reality will hit.

Its a genuine concern, for anyone. I do feel your pain, am hailed out about 90% of all crops but am hoping for frost free till Dec 20 Canola is starting to make buds again.

[checking]

For your fantesy purposes, let's say governments did an ad hoc ag payment. Those that don't require it (net income too high) could be subject to the same clawback provision that exist in the senior citizen class like the non refundable tax credit for age, like OAS, like...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find it futile to spend like crazy to avoid income tax. The last thing I want is more stuff to put a cover over because the governments sent me an ad hoc ag payment.

If I take anything out of agriville sage, it will be the quote about, "would it not be nice, if it just didn't matter".

[bucket]

For your fantesy purposes, let's say governments did an ad hoc ag payment. Those that don't require it (net income too high) could be subject to the same clawback provision that exist in the senior citizen class like the non refundable tax credit for age, like OAS, like...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find it futile to spend like crazy to avoid income tax. The last thing I want is more stuff to put a cover over because the governments sent me an ad hoc ag payment.

If I take anything out of agriville sage, it will be the quote about, "would it not be nice, if it just didn't matter".

They are giving an ad hoc payment to irrigation districts 40 bucks an acre for 5 years and that won't end....

Guaranteed crop and they get subsidized....every year. .....100000 acres off lake diefenbaker so about 4 million every year...because the irrigator says he can't afford it on his own. ...hmmmmm interesting....

And those guys have their sheds full of new equipment....

[the big wheel]

They are giving an ad hoc payment to irrigation districts 40 bucks an acre for 5 years and that won't end....

Guaranteed crop and they get subsidized....every year. .....100000 acres off lake diefenbaker so about 4 million every year...because the irrigator says he can't afford it on his own. ...hmmmmm interesting....

And those guys have their sheds full of new equipment....

That’s why we can’t vote ndp!!!!! Lol

[checking]

I want you to know, bucket, that you are one of the good men from the triffid days.

If one of the reason that Lake Diefenbaker was created was for 100,000 acres of irrigation, then I guess the mandate was fulfilled with a subsidy payment of $40/acre. Did someone try $30/acre, and find the objective would never be reached?

Was irrigation potential the last piece required to make the project outweigh its detractions, or was the stopping of ice damage to property in Saskatoon enough on its own merits to create the Lake? Did those property owners receive any benefit from this subsidy, that bucket did not?

Did your town receive a reliable water supply that some town beyond the Lake's reach did not? Does that mean you/me are owed something?

When does bucket's turn come. Well, it will likely be that life is a bitch, and then you die. In the meantime, buck up, or trade up to the subsidy haven.

[bucket]

I want you to know, bucket, that you are one of the good men from the triffid days.

If one of the reason that Lake Diefenbaker was created was for 100,000 acres of irrigation, then I guess the mandate was fulfilled with a subsidy payment of $40/acre. Did someone try $30/acre, and find the objective would never be reached?

Was irrigation potential the last piece required to make the project outweigh its detractions, or was the stopping of ice damage to property in Saskatoon enough on its own merits to create the Lake? Did those property owners receive any benefit from this subsidy, that bucket did not?

Did your town receive a reliable water supply that some town beyond the Lake's reach did not? Does that mean you/me are owed something?

When does bucket's turn come. Well, it will likely be that life is a bitch, and then you die. In the meantime, buck up, or trade up to the subsidy haven.

Fair comments but let me be clear....I am not against irrigation or water for the greater good.....

What I am against is the way that it is funded....If you tell me that an irrigation project will pay and be profitable ...fair...then those benefitting should have no problem paying for it as well...

I can tell you there is a pump house feeding the irrigation lines and out of the same pump house is a pump that feeds the village of Riverhurst....provides water year round to the village's water treatment plant...same water going into the pivots as what is supplied to the water treatment plant...

Here is where is gets a little odd... The village of Riverhurst pays by the 1000 gallons while the irrigator is paying by the acre foot....and the irrigator is subsidized 40 bucks an acre....same water...

I asked once why that is the case ...everyone at the table just shrugged and said that the way it is....well its ****ing stupid...

I also don't mind that the pivots are there and I also fully understand why the lake was created...It feeds 75 percent of the water for the people of saskatchewan for Saskatoon regina Moose Jaw etc etc.

It also feeds the province's Potash Industry....all good.

But what part of the problem is we are fully utilizing the potential of growing very high value crops from it...I find that disappointing and to go forward with more without putting a performance standard is poor planning....

There also has to be another look at the changes in farming practices before we keep on the mantra of irrigation will save us...because to date its the farming practices that have done more than the potential to irrigate unless you are growing those higher value crops...and some are doing it without irrigation....

Sure when you look back 40 years and see the farm at a 50/50 rotation irrigation makes sense but have a good hard look at what has changed since then and understand which farmers are the economic drivers....

Just a rambling....I don't think much....it hurts...

[macdon02]

Fair comments but let me be clear....I am not against irrigation or water for the greater good.....

What I am against is the way that it is funded....If you tell me that an irrigation project will pay and be profitable ...fair...then those benefitting should have no problem paying for it as well...

I can tell you there is a pump house feeding the irrigation lines and out of the same pump house is a pump that feeds the village of Riverhurst....provides water year round to the village's water treatment plant...same water going into the pivots as what is supplied to the water treatment plant...

Here is where is gets a little odd... The village of Riverhurst pays by the 1000 gallons while the irrigator is paying by the acre foot....and the irrigator is subsidized 40 bucks an acre....same water...

I asked once why that is the case ...everyone at the table just shrugged and said that the way it is....well its ****ing stupid...

I also don't mind that the pivots are there and I also fully understand why the lake was created...It feeds 75 percent of the water for the people of saskatchewan for Saskatoon regina Moose Jaw etc etc.

It also feeds the province's Potash Industry....all good.

But what part of the problem is we are fully utilizing the potential of growing very high value crops from it...I find that disappointing and to go forward with more without putting a performance standard is poor planning....

There also has to be another look at the changes in farming practices before we keep on the mantra of irrigation will save us...because to date its the farming practices that have done more than the potential to irrigate unless you are growing those higher value crops...and some are doing it without irrigation....

Sure when you look back 40 years and see the farm at a 50/50 rotation irrigation makes sense but have a good hard look at what has changed since then and understand which farmers are the economic drivers....

Just a rambling....I don't think much....it hurts...

Irrigated canola burns just fine, i don't have any, but saw lots getting the match when soil sampling spring of 05

[bucket]

Irrigated canola burns just fine, i don't have any, but saw lots getting the match when soil sampling spring of 05

Canola under irrigation ....it doesn't even make sense if you had to pay for the infrastructure....there are people growing better canola crops on drylands in the Kamsack area....

And on a dry year it don't matter how many circles you put on...mother nature can still blast the flowers...and reduce yield...Plus to get that yield these guys are spending more than the guys at Kamsack to get the crop...

irrigation water charges, on farm pivot costs, labour etc etc...

The sad part is guys that can grow a 40 bpa canola crop think they are gaining by getting a 60 bpa crop under irrigation...

Let me ask this question....is paying 150k a quarter to get 20bpa on farmland a good business plan?

With irrigation you are only picking up the spread between what you are already able to produce on the dryland....

Some guys don't realize that...