The Green Dream

[blackpowder]

I think Jazz should be fined for starting this thread.

[jazz]

I think Jazz should be fined for starting this thread.

Chuck has no fn idea what he is talking about.

To provide solar power for a single server farm for facebook so we can post sht would take almost 5000 ac of land.

You would think an actual farmer would be concerned about more land being used up. A natural gas generation plant would take up about a city block. Renewables will NEVER EVER be able to handle our electric load. They have to be backed up by FF because they are unreliable. So there is actually another cost that is left out of the calculation conveniently.

[blackpowder]

We all know he's full of it.
It was a light jab for waking him up.
There is no rebuttal that will change a thing.

[mustardman]

Farmers that don’t believe in Solar Power ...TOO Funny !!

What do grow? Mushrooms??

[Braveheart]

On news.rebate for farmers to install.
Only 8 to 10 yrs to recoup costs..

And, around here, the Assessment branch reassesses your property if you install solar and the resulting higher taxes negate any benefit. In the end you're negative.

[grassfarmer]

Most?? care to back that up with some statistical evidence?

Bump. I'm still waiting Jazz.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And I'm still waiting For chuck to Find an example of where these cheap renewables have been installed and power rates Have not gone Up drastically as a result. When the net cost to the consumer starts going down Thanks to renewables, I will be all on board. For some reason these Cheaper alternative always result in Catastrophically higher prices for the end users.

So either someone can't do math, or someone is lying to us.

[Guest]

Costs are Recouped in 5- 6 years on farm
Oh and don’t forget the gang who couldn’t shoot straight (Sask Party) have raised rates 55% in last few years

They are on there way to doubling so these fiscally incompetent ones can help with their budgets

55% increase
That is total horseshit , in fact it is closer to 5-10 %
Wished everything else we buy had only gone up that much
NG and power are a bargain here compared to the work they do ?
But lets not let facts interfere

[grassfarmer]

And I'm still waiting For chuck to Find an example of where these cheap renewables have been installed and power rates Have not gone Up drastically as a result. When the net cost to the consumer starts going down Thanks to renewables, I will be all on board. For some reason these Cheaper alternative always result in Catastrophically higher prices for the end users.

So either someone can't do math, or someone is lying to us.

Northern Indiana is saying they can save their customers $4 billion over the next 30 years. Time to get on board.

[furrowtickler]

Northern Indiana is saying they can save their customers $4 billion over the next 30 years. Time to get on board.

Lol , and the man jumped over the moon 🌚 lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Northern Indiana is saying they can save their customers $4 billion over the next 30 years. Time to get on board.

Every word in that statement is in the future tense. Every project has similar rosy future projections. They have all PROMISED lower costs in the future And EVERY time so far it has resulted in huge increases in electricity costs. It is almost like we are refusing to learn from anyone else's mistakes and insist on repeating the same experiment all over the world always expecting a different outcome.

Did anyone ever take a money losing business proposition to the bank (or government) and use that to ask for money? No, for obvious reasons.

I have no doubt that wind and solar will eventually be a significant and cost effective portion of power generation once all the pieces have been developed and perfected. But so far, in most(but not all) cases and locations, it is an expensive solution to a non existent problem.

[Hamloc]

Bump. I'm still waiting Jazz.

With a little googling it appears Sask Power started The Rural Underground Distribution Program in 1985. Hard to find much information but it appears they spent roughly $40 million a year. There is a Western Producer article from 1995 that suggests the Sask government was considering shutting it down because it was too costly but doesn't say whether it was and I can't find how many miles of line were buried. Certainly there are no powerlines buried in Alberta except of course in people's yards lol.

As for the green dream for me it is a pointless debate. Farming is about adapting to and surviving the situations we are confronted with. The weather is certainly one challenge, I am sure government regulation will become a greater challenge in the future. Enjoy your day.