A comparison...

[bucket]

Bucket your math is right on spot! The food industry margins are astounding. Fake meat is all about making money for the food industry just like climate change is all an excuse to grab more taxes from the people and not cause an outright riot.

I grow lots of peas and I will never eat a garbage meat replacer. I thank the cattle farmer every day and get my protein in the most efficient delivery package...red meat!

I will consume plant protein in other ways and it makes me sick to be in a Tim Horton’s line up and see people buying into the fake meat when the cattle industry has had very few awesome years and lots of struggle.

Hats of to the cowboys...keep fighting the good fight.

Sadly the cattleman's representative isn't fighting or they would be pointing out the salts in processed fake meat....and the price....

[newguy]

Beyond meat or organic products have a market more on perception of the consumer.food industries takes the consumer serious whether it has merit or not.I still can not figure out how you can patent a recipe and sell shares on it.wonder if there is a patent on a pizza.?

[jamesb]

Wow the anger here on this issue is interesting. As western Canada being the largest traders of peas and lentils in the world we need new markets for our pulses. India and China take far too high of a percentage of the total production. When they make noises we hurt. There is a new pea plant being built in Portage. I am no fan of fake meat for my own consumption as I like beef and I prefer to eat pulses in their traditional fashion. Hey if you are every going through Fillmore the Tavern there is run by a couple Indian guys who make a prenominal butter chicken. I prefer to see these artificial meat a "gateway" food that we can get the vegetarians of the world to move towards meat like products. We all know a good steak has it over a burger any day!

[the big wheel]

Wow the anger here on this issue is interesting. As western Canada being the largest traders of peas and lentils in the world we need new markets for our pulses. India and China take far too high of a percentage of the total production. When they make noises we hurt. There is a new pea plant being built in Portage. I am no fan of fake meat for my own consumption as I like beef and I prefer to eat pulses in their traditional fashion. Hey if you are every going through Fillmore the Tavern there is run by a couple Indian guys who make a prenominal butter chicken. I prefer to see these artificial meat a "gateway" food that we can get the vegetarians of the world to move towards meat like products. We all know a good steak has it over a burger any day!

A good point that yes we should be seeking new markets. I should be thinking only of my business but I can’t help but not like benefitting from hurting the cattlemen or anyone in the meat industry. And would this be a real benefit if we only limit this to our country? Less beef less demand for barley and other things right? We take those barley oat acres out and into peas pretty soon are we less ahead plus no cattlemen?
I don’t like the way it’s being marketed. Tastes just like beef no not really I tried one. It’s so masked with condiments it could be sawdust. And is that where this is headed in the future maybe a tree will be ground up? Why are the meat industries reps not fighting this? Market it as it is a protein grain patty. Are we going to
Lose foreign markets for this marketing it as a burger? They want and eat it instead of meat for a reason.

I enjoy my Canadian produced steak, roast, bacon,chicken wings greatly.

[bucket]

Maybe I am looking at this all wrong....maybe the cattleman and beef guy are not charging enough for their product....

If people are willing to pay 17 bucks a pound for fake meat that isn't competing with steak but the trimmings....

Maybe I should be getting more for my calves....

I know I should be getting more for my peas....which was the point of the thread...

[grassfarmer]

The hamburger price tells me that the middleman is working on razor thin margins, contrary to popular belief.

Not at all there is plenty margin, if you don't believe it try it.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Not at all there is plenty margin, if you don't believe it try it.

Why would I want to try losing money? Everyone Who has tried it around here has failed. There is a reason why packing plants use foreign workers, and virtually every one still hasgone bankrupt, some more than once.

[Guest]

Not at all there is plenty margin, if you don't believe it try it.

grass , i know very little about cattle. Can you tell me what is the value of say an average 2 or 3 yr old dry cow if all was deboned and turned into hamburger ,counting the butchers cut ?
i guess what i am wondering i if i bought that cow , paid to have it killed, cut and wrapped , what would hamburger cost me a pound
i realize there is a lot of different factors , just an average price , if you could?
just curious ?

[bucket]

grass , i know very little about cattle. Can you tell me what is the value of say an average 2 or 3 yr old dry cow if all was deboned and turned into hamburger ,counting the butchers cut ?
i guess what i am wondering i if i bought that cow , paid to have it killed, cut and wrapped , what would hamburger cost me a pound
i realize there is a lot of different factors , just an average price , if you could?
just curious ?

I can tell you the numbers...

The sale price of a good cow was 80 cents ....so a 1500 pound cow is 1200 bucks.

The meat off that cow for ease of argument is about 650 pounds....

The cut and wrapping at my local butcher for that animal would run about 850 bucks...

So 1200 for the cow and 850 for the slaughter is 2050 for 650 pounds of hamburger...3.15 a pound ....

if that makes sense? But don't forget you need a deep freeze to put it as well and power it for the year...etc etc

[jamesb]

A good point that yes we should be seeking new markets. I should be thinking only of my business but I can’t help but not like benefitting from hurting the cattlemen or anyone in the meat industry. And would this be a real benefit if we only limit this to our country? Less beef less demand for barley and other things right? We take those barley oat acres out and into peas pretty soon are we less ahead plus no cattlemen?
I don’t like the way it’s being marketed. Tastes just like beef no not really I tried one. It’s so masked with condiments it could be sawdust. And is that where this is headed in the future maybe a tree will be ground up? Why are the meat industries reps not fighting this? Market it as it is a protein grain patty. Are we going to
Lose foreign markets for this marketing it as a burger? They want and eat it instead of meat for a reason.

I enjoy my Canadian produced steak, roast, bacon,chicken wings greatly.

For beef producers and all meat producers in general there is enormous potential for future consumption. So many people in India and other Asian countries are vegetarian because of economic reasons. In those countries with a growing middle class, meat consumption goes up. As rural people know most cattle are raised on land that cant economically grow crops. City people don't get this. Kinda like the food versus fuel debate in Ethanol and bio diesel with the thinking that ethanol took food out of the mouths of people when it provided a outlet for the oversupply that we as farmers create.

[Guest]

I can tell you the numbers...

The sale price of a good cow was 80 cents ....so a 1500 pound cow is 1200 bucks.

The meat off that cow for ease of argument is about 650 pounds....

The cut and wrapping at my local butcher for that animal would run about 850 bucks...

So 1200 for the cow and 850 for the slaughter is 2050 for 650 pounds of hamburger...3.15 a pound ....

if that makes sense? But don't forget you need a deep freeze to put it as well and power it for the year...etc etc

Thanks bucket
So $2.99 ground beef on sale is a good price then
Abbotoir doin ok on that ?

[bucket]

Thanks bucket
So $2.99 ground beef on sale is a good price then
Abbotoir doin ok on that ?

The local butcher needs some TFW to make him run at capacity but he is in the middle of butt **** nowhere....