A comparison...

[the big wheel]

To add to buckets and grassfarmers posts you butcher that cow you still get tenderloin, stew meat, soup bones, tenderized steak etc and the biggest difference is the burger is not like your regular store bought, it will be more like an extra lean more pricey burger, likely better. Retailers put a lot of fat and trimmings and water in their burger that you would not get doing your own.

We butchered (not for burger)a 4yr old cow last fall that was in good condition gave her a bit of barley for a month and it is as good of beef as any young steer we have done yet if I'd have sold her she would have been the 80 cent cow. Wouldn't try that with a 20 yr old beast though!

Another difference on the individual vs the packers they sell the hides, bone meal,blood meal etc where they can and make money on all that too, they are doing just fine.

Just out of curiosity what was the so called fillers in hamburger? What exactly was it, McDonald’s got caught with the pink slime and then the marketing was yes your beef burger is pure beef which is what I expected it was all along. Burger King was selling horse meats when you couldn’t give horses away. Margins must have been pretty good then.

[grassfarmer]

The reality of feed conversion ratio, water use, and the dismal protein conversion efficiency. For example beef is 2.5% and chicken is 21%.

1 kg of Beef produces 35 kg of CO2 while chicken 4.5
High levels of methane and nitrous make beef an easy target for making it out to destroy the environment.

Beyond meat isn't the beef industry's problem, It's being the poster child of waste and cause of climate change. Good marketing will keep focusing on that fact which beef can't even begin to push back on. Do yourself a reality check and have a Farmers Breakfast wrap at Timmies, they are actually quite good.

Cost will come down significantly for isolate based proteins, more companies are already getting in on the action. More and more really good home made beyond meat recipes will replace even more "evil" beef.

But since Ag sucks at anything to do with public perception, they'll just keep calling it names and dog food while the ship sinks.

Yeah, sure Tweedeldum. We just started grazing a section of rented wildlife habitat. Slough and bog full of weeds. Would be slim picking for your vegans. Only the cow can turn this junk food into high quality protein one bite at a time. The other guys are turning healthy vegetables into junk food.

[GDR]

Just out of curiosity what was the so called fillers in hamburger? What exactly was it, McDonald’s got caught with the pink slime and then the marketing was yes your beef burger is pure beef which is what I expected it was all along. Burger King was selling horse meats when you couldn’t give horses away. Margins must have been pretty good then.

Dont know all what they put in some pre made patties but boy are some of them gross and funny texture. I'm talking about the ones that come from the store in the box, DQ and McDonalds actually seem pretty good.

[grassfarmer]

Just out of curiosity what was the so called fillers in hamburger? What exactly was it, McDonald’s got caught with the pink slime and then the marketing was yes your beef burger is pure beef which is what I expected it was all along. Burger King was selling horse meats when you couldn’t give horses away. Margins must have been pretty good then.

They've taken the pink slime out but there are still sometimes things other than beef in the burgers - they are sometimes contained in the seasoning so they can declare it's 100% beef. Anything from hydrogenated cottonseed oil to "corn fibre", corn starch, sugar, disodium inosinate, disodium guanylate and silicon dioxide.

[tweety]

Yeah, sure Tweedeldum. We just started grazing a section of rented wildlife habitat. Slough and bog full of weeds. Would be slim picking for your vegans. Only the cow can turn this junk food into high quality protein one bite at a time. The other guys are turning healthy vegetables into junk food.

Of course it is, but perception is reality - something Ag will never understand. You just roll your eyes and say idiot under your breath and keep pumping out the arrogant facts of "science" to the choir, meanwhile GMO's, glyphosate, chuckwagon races, pesticides in general get banned as the Austranada's of the world are way more effective and social media savvy.

While you say 50 cows are grazing in a grassy wldlife area that gets tweeted, instagrammed and facebooked to 12 people, millions of the public gets shown images of hundreds of thousands of feeder cattle belly deep in cowshit, destroying ground water, wasting energy, and creating methane and NOx causing global warming over and over and over on every conceivable social media channel and media as well.

So keep up the ignorance of what's actually going on.. Maybe it'll all just go away if we keep telling each other how dumb they are.

Which is publicly more acceptable? A feedlot or field? - which is where most of those burgers come from

[tweety]

Wake up sleepy heads, no antibiotics, no disease, no contamination, no killing. GMO bacteria produced ice cream and cheese is on its way too. Vegan friendly, no animals required to be worked or slaughtered. Even has a friendly name, Future Meats.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/lab-grown-meat-company-aiming-to-be-in-restaurants-by-2021 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/lab-grown-meat-company-aiming-to-be-in-restaurants-by-2021

[Guest]

The reality of feed conversion ratio, water use, and the dismal protein conversion efficiency. For example beef is 2.5% and chicken is 21%.

1 kg of Beef produces 35 kg of CO2 while chicken 4.5
High levels of methane and nitrous make beef an easy target for making it out to destroy the environment.

Beyond meat isn't the beef industry's problem, It's being the poster child of waste and cause of climate change. Good marketing will keep focusing on that fact which beef can't even begin to push back on. Do yourself a reality check and have a Farmers Breakfast wrap at Timmies, they are actually quite good.

Cost will come down significantly for isolate based proteins, more companies are already getting in on the action. More and more really good home made beyond meat recipes will replace even more "evil" beef.

But since Ag sucks at anything to do with public perception, they'll just keep calling it names and dog food while the ship sinks.

Is it “kick a rancher in the nuts day” ?
I love my beef , keeps me strong
Thanks to those that work their asses off to produce it
I see them trying to bale hay on my way to the lake every weekend and appreciate their efforts

[Guest]

Of course it is, but perception is reality - something Ag will never understand. You just roll your eyes and say idiot under your breath and keep pumping out the arrogant facts of "science" to the choir, meanwhile GMO's, glyphosate, chuckwagon races, pesticides in general get banned as the Austranada's of the world are way more effective and social media savvy.

While you say 50 cows are grazing in a grassy wldlife area that gets tweeted, instagrammed and facebooked to 12 people, millions of the public gets shown images of hundreds of thousands of feeder cattle belly deep in cowshit, destroying ground water, wasting energy, and creating methane and NOx causing global warming over and over and over on every conceivable social media channel and media as well.

So keep up the ignorance of what's actually going on.. Maybe it'll all just go away if we keep telling each other how dumb they are.

Which is publicly more acceptable? A feedlot or field? - which is where most of those burgers come from

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[grassfarmer]

Which is publicly more acceptable? A feedlot or field? - which is where most of those burgers come from

The field of course - where these cattle are being fattened.


Compared to the alternative


Two can play at this game and arguably those in primary ag production have never before had a better opportunity to influence the general public the way they do now through social media. I've had posts on Facebook shared over 100 times and videos viewed over 20,000 times. We're not all dumb in agriculture.

[bucket]

grassfarmer

That top picture of the animal grazing ....is making my mouth water....deeeelicious looking beast....I am picturing a baked potato , beets, and a small salad beside it along with horseradish and to drink an ice cold coke....mmmmmmm!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Here is another way of looking at this. The cost of any product or service is a reflection of the cost of the energy that went into creating that product or service. Every step of the way, from the direct energy or fuel for mining, growing, processing and transporting to the indirect, the employees, engineers, accountants, lawyers, advertisers etc. wages all of which goes to buy energy or products made with or from energy etc. At the root of the economy, we don't pay the earth to yield its bounty, we extract energy from it, and convert it into work and use that to make useful products. Even the cost of that energy is a reflection of the amount of energy it takes to get it into a useful format.

If you accept that, then the fact that fake meat costs multiple times more per kg, indicates that there is much more energy (directly or indirectly) that went into producing it than actual meat. Yet it is being marketed as an environmentally friendly alternative. For those who still "believe" that CO2 is bad, what are the full cycle CO2 emissions of fake meat? Total water use? How much more finite fossil fuels are being consumed to create a product to make it cost that much more? Beef can be( key word being can) produced using virtually no fossil fuels, can the same be said about fake meat?

Considering the demographic this is being marketed to, both consumer and producer look a lot like hypocrits.

[bucket]

Here is another way of looking at this. The cost of any product or service is a reflection of the cost of the energy that went into creating that product or service. Every step of the way, from the direct energy or fuel for mining, growing, processing and transporting to the indirect, the employees, engineers, accountants, lawyers, advertisers etc. wages all of which goes to buy energy or products made with or from energy etc. At the root of the economy, we don't pay the earth to yield its bounty, we extract energy from it, and convert it into work and use that to make useful products. Even the cost of that energy is a reflection of the amount of energy it takes to get it into a useful format.

If you accept that, then the fact that fake meat costs multiple times more per kg, indicates that there is much more energy (directly or indirectly) that went into producing it than actual meat. Yet it is being marketed as an environmentally friendly alternative. For those who still "believe" that CO2 is bad, what are the full cycle CO2 emissions of fake meat? Total water use? How much more finite fossil fuels are being consumed to create a product to make it cost that much more? Beef can be( key word being can) produced using virtually no fossil fuels, can the same be said about fake meat?

Considering the demographic this is being marketed to, both consumer and producer look a lot like hypocrits.

Interesting comments because I was told Roquette didn't come to saskatchewan for water reasons....which is a bullshit argument ....

[tweety]

The field of course - where these cattle are being fattened.
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Two can play at this game and arguably those in primary ag production have never before had a better opportunity to influence the general public the way they do now through social media. I've had posts on Facebook shared over 100 times and videos viewed over 20,000 times. We're not all dumb in agriculture.

Wow, a whole hundred times. You're not dumb, you're just naive.

[grassfarmer]

When in history could an individual farmer or rancher sit in their house and get to broadcast their message for free to hundreds, or thousands, or hundreds of thousands of consumers around the world? The power is in our hands if we choose to use it.
You don't have to be defeated, sitting at home wringing your hands because "the farm groups" aren't spreading the message you want to convey.

[tweety]

When in history could an individual farmer or rancher sit in their house and get to broadcast their message for free to hundreds, or thousands, or hundreds of thousands of consumers around the world? The power is in our hands if we choose to use it.
You don't have to be defeated, sitting at home wringing your hands because "the farm groups" aren't spreading the message you want to convey.

That's the thing about social media, mostly those in ag follow the "Agvocates". Take a peak at Megz followers, this isn't rocket science.

You don't have too look very hard to see what's happening. While the media shows farmers can't compete, vertical integration is changing the landscape. Food industries with vi can easily remove farmers from the chain.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/walmart-farming-milk_n_5c9d2dc0e4b0474c08cb0aec https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/walmart-farming-milk_n_5c9d2dc0e4b0474c08cb0aec