Canada a Shit Hole Country on Ag. USA farmers to get a acreage payment for China prob

[tweety]

What's worse is arguing with guys that say they are successful. ....by their own standard....but how many could fill a boat on their own to the export market????


Or do they just drive a few miles to the local crusher. ...or feedlot...

It's always interesting to hear how successful guys are....until they aren't. ....

Do you have to be successful or work for daddy to not be a continual whiner who wants welfare cheques so they don't have to think? OR what was it, a chemical rep or god knows what other excuse.

Why do you all continuously whine? Sell the farm if its too hard and do something where you're not constantly in a deep state of depression.

Farming is awesome, nature kicks you in the balls, you go broke, you start again, you work hard, sometimes you win - always a gamble. You wanna sit at a desk staring at spreadsheets or writing policies and procedures no one will ever read? I think you've completely forgotten what farming is supposed to be like. It's hard, and its not for a bunch of whiny sissies, and somebody obviously has to tell you that - but you're not listening. You just make excuses.

I'll keep doing this till you stop your whining.

[farmaholic]

What's wrong with stating facts and making comparisons?
Pointing out discrepancies isn't complaining in my eyes.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, too bad if you don't like it, you don't have to.

[jazz]

I would say tweety is one of those ag now more than ever farmers farming away 3rd or 4th gen equity because nobody with any kind of real life experience in this business would ever talk that way about the environment we are in as being awesome. Detachment from reality.

[Guest]

I for one , like buckets comments
They are no partisan
He does a lot of digging and prodding and stating the obvious that lots cant see, what we need in a politician
If you dont like him shut him off like i did austranumbnuts

[Guest]

I for one , like buckets comments
They are no partisan
He does a lot of digging and prodding and stating the obvious that lots cant see, what we need in a politician
If you dont like him shut him off like i did austranumbnuts

LMFAO. You always refer to me with your drivel wasteIH. You just can't resist so keep trying to convince yourself that you've shut me off. Are you auditioning for the Montreal comedy festival, probably because it brings you closer to your buddy in Ottawa

[farmaholic]

Here's a dose of sarcasm.

There's too much grain in the world anyway.
Too cheap at times too.
So quit growing it, let those that can afford to eat buy it and forget about the rest.
Hand to mouth insanity, who needs reserves when the horn of plenty runneth over.
What would all the parasitic suppliers of goods and services do? Trim fat?
Oddly the people taking some of the highest risk in the Industry have the least say. Even input suppliers off-loaded credit risk onto lending institutions. So one bad account is too many? Well one uncashable GrainCo check will be too many for some producers....oh well suck it up along with politically negatively affected markets. What's the loss of afew expendable producers in the GRAND SCHEME of things.

Expenses have become stoopid, canola seed, fert and chem, machinery, fuel....wanna bet there is room in their budgets and gouging business models to tighten their ****en belts....they made alot of holes(moving away from the buckle end) in their belts over the last 2 decades, time to cinch it tighter boys, I have no sympathy for any company who expects farmers to be the first, or only, segment of the Industry to tighten their belts.....if you want a viable Industry....do your part!

What I find amazing is how farmers have trouble separating themselves from their businesses. Emotional attachment to land.....especially "heritage" land. If smart money was making decisions instead of emotions....most of us should have cashed in our chips. Then the Industry could thrive on a bunch of high testosterone, heavily indebted, blinded by youthful ambition, financially weak farmers that apparently know no limits.

[sumdumguy]

When you see how the neighbouring government treats their farmers, it makes you feel like you are under appreciated for your contribution to your countrymen. They’ve never been hungry in Canada. 🇨🇦

[bucket]

American farmers will start applying for their MFP payment on Monday....

Some have been quoted to be getting over 100 dollars an acre payment...

Guys like Tweety judging by his comments """"..Farming is awesome, nature kicks you in the balls, you go broke, you start again, you work hard, sometimes you win - always a gamble. You wanna sit at a desk staring at spreadsheets or writing policies and procedures no one will ever read? I think you've completely forgotten what farming is supposed to be like. It's hard, and its not for a bunch of whiny sissies, and somebody obviously has to tell you that - but you're not listening. You just make excuses.""""

Is he one of those agvocates , or maybe he's a former outstanding young farmer winner that sells out in 5 years, or maybe he's the guy in the neighbourhood that parades his new equipment around after those big write downs years ago??? A true businessman/capitalist that is self made until you find out some of the above....

But he's a hard worker ...just ask him...

My comments are for the general farming population...

If you have never seen a community die out through consolidation and look back at how it happened....you really don't understand whats happening in western canada right now or what will be happening...

Some guys will think of it as opportunity ,,,,others know better...

Some like having neighbours.....others like shiny bins for snow fences....

BTW Tweety. ...I am not talking about myself....I am talking about the western Canadian primary producer as a whole industry....

If you want to go it alone....send any payments that maybe coming back....there's a challenge to the selfmade farmer....you would be the first....another feather in your cap.....

[jazz]

No matter how tough and stoic we think we are, the simple fact is none of us can make trade deals with other countries and that's way more critical than anything. That requires a partner in the govt which we don't have. In fact we have the opposite.

So by tweety logic, you just take it, the weather, the markets, the politics, the gouging and now the trade problems. You suck it right up and don't make a peep. Well f that. This isn't a charity. I don't care how much heritage is in the land. I will idle it before I run it for a loss for ungrateful people.

[bucket]

The problem with the guys like Tweety is as much as the big talker they are ....they won't send the cheque back if the government is willing to help ...like they do with every other industry...


So they can talk and help the politicians see mixed messages from farm groups but when push comes to shove ...they will cash the government cheque....

But I enjoy his perspective because it does make me think about the alternatives....

His alternative is to tell guys to get out... then cash the cheque others lobbied for....seen it the last time there was a major bailout....

[jazz]

His alternative is to tell guys to get out... then cash the cheque others lobbied for....seen it the last time there was a major bailout....

So basically ag is on a 25 yr permanent loop, get some traction, get gouged, get ignored, get regulated, get hammered then call for consolidation again and then rinse and repeat. Sounds like a winning plan until there are just a few thousand farmers left. Then I guess the UN will take the land.

[bucket]

So basically ag is on a 25 yr permanent loop, get some traction, get gouged, get ignored, get regulated, get hammered then call for consolidation again and then rinse and repeat. Sounds like a winning plan until there are just a few thousand farmers left. Then I guess the UN will take the land.

There isn't a 2nd 3rd or 4th generation farm in western canada that hasn't been given a handout and allows these young bucks to farm....

While some leave when the payment come due to various reasons....one of the biggest problems with any payment is it never makes the incentive for young guys ...to keep the industry healthy...


Look at the average age of farmers today...the biggest issue today and was when I was younger is ...why do this ...

The other day when Goodale was handing money out it was for young entrepreneurs .... where is the money for a young guy starting out....oh yeah...he's expected to work off the farm for 20 years....

My kids could spend 30 years living working hard for nothing if history is going to repeat itself...

[bucket]

One big question....why does the government have 40 dollars an acre for irrigation districts for the next 5 years ( and probably longer) ....while having nothing for ranchers or drylands farmers???????

Riverhurst district irrigators will pay a flat $21 per acre each year on acreage from 18,265 to 22,000, while the provincial funding totals $4.2 million.

You guys do the math...its 40 bucks an acre for 5 years or 210 an acre total...I bought land for less than that and had interest costs on that...

[Radical]

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/99-stupid-things-the-government-did-with-your-money-part-ii/amp/

[Radical]

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/99-stupid-things-the-government-did-with-your-money-part-i/amp/