Finally waking up?

[malleefarmer]

Look im a dumb****le.

Farmaholic grows wheat A wheatking grows wheat B

Can farma and wk both keep there own seed from respective varieties?

Can wheat king sell in wheat variety B to farma to "bulk up" meaning he sells him 4 tonne to gow and he keeps the resulting tonnes for seed?

Here in aust as ive said heaps we buy one or two tonne of new seed and bulk up and usually grow it for 3 or 4 years until a superceded model comes out. Pay the #5 end point royalty collected and paid by buyers out of proceeds.

Initial seed for bulking up is 4 to 6 times cost at a guess so last year wheat was around 400 per tonne elevator so seed was about $2000 per tonne but you only buy one or two and your good for years.

I can sell my bulked up seed to another famer but he has to declare the type on delivery.

think you system may be more complcated.

Again not sure been in for 20yrs here to raise money for breeding.

Maybe you guys are mega rich and buy new seed each year?? Just doesnt happen that way here never has never will.

[farmaholic]

Look im a dumb****le.

Farmaholic grows wheat A wheatking grows wheat B

Can farma and wk both keep there own seed from respective varieties?

Can wheat king sell in wheat variety B to farma to "bulk up" meaning he sells him 4 tonne to gow and he keeps the resulting tonnes for seed?

Here in aust as ive said heaps we buy one or two tonne of new seed and bulk up and usually grow it for 3 or 4 years until a superceded model comes out. Pay the #5 end point royalty collected and paid by buyers out of proceeds.

Initial seed for bulking up is 4 to 6 times cost at a guess so last year wheat was around 400 per tonne elevator so seed was about $2000 per tonne but you only buy one or two and your good for years.

I can sell my bulked up seed to another famer but he has to declare the type on delivery.

think you system may be more complcated.

Again not sure been in for 20yrs here to raise money for breeding.

Maybe you guys are mega rich and buy new seed each year?? Just doesnt happen that way here never has never will.

Yes we can keep and use the seed we bought ,royalty paid, to use on our own farm royalty free.
It is now illegal to sell it to another grower. Now both the buyer and seller can be prosecuted.
Many producers do exactly what you described, bulk up a smaller quantity for their own future use.
I don't know any people who buys brand new seed every year.
I think most producers fear the whole seedtax thing morphing into the expensive canola seed gouging model.
Those bastards think there is no limit to what they can charge.....too many parasites and excessive advertising etc built into the seed costs.

[blackpowder]

Keeping farmers from trading seed won't work any better than Prohibition.

[malleefarmer]

So the whole thing is to stop farmer trading?

[farmaholic]

So the whole thing is to stop farmer trading?

And to extract exhorbitant amounts of money from the primary producer.

When, and hopefully never, this is enacted imagine the onslaught of new varieties that will hit the market, all looking for the biggest piece of the pie they can get..... Even if their variety is shit. And maybe even worse than one that was demoted into a lower class or worse yet completely de-registered.

The last thing this Industry needs is more input supplier corporate control and COLLUSION.

EVER GET TIRED OF BEING A FISH IN A BARREL?

[malleefarmer]

varieties never get deregistered here may drop a grade.

I know guys growing wheat bred 15 yrs ago for there exact district newer types not up to scratch

breeders and farmers kinda work hand in hand here wereas you guys might end up at war

[MBgrower]

And to extract exhorbitant amounts of money from the primary producer.

When, and hopefully never, this is enacted imagine the onslaught of new varieties that will hit the market, all looking for the biggest piece of the pie they can get..... Even if their variety is shit. And maybe even worse than one that was demoted into a lower class or worse yet completely de-registered.

The last thing this Industry needs is more input supplier corporate control and COLLUSION.

EVER GET TIRED OF BEING A FISH IN A BARREL?

plus radio, tv commercials 12 months of the year targeting 1% of the population. Madness.

[Rareearth]

varieties never get deregistered here may drop a grade.

I know guys growing wheat bred 15 yrs ago for there exact district newer types not up to scratch

breeders and farmers kinda work hand in hand here wereas you guys might end up at war

Sounds like our Barley varieties, maltster doesn’t want (like? ) the new ones.

Maybe a compromise, new varieties can have the royalty tax BUT it expires after 5 years, then it’s open market and can never be de registered?

[farmaholic]

Sounds like our Barley varieties, maltster doesn’t want (like? ) the new ones.

Maybe a compromise, new varieties can have the royalty tax BUT it expires after 5 years, then it’s open market and can never be de registered?

I think I remember Maltsters didn't want to use anything but Harrington(yes, that's how old I am) in the past, slowly but surely they adapted to some of the new varieties that came along.

I guess once they know how it malts and brews they want to stay with it. Add in affecting taste might get beer drinkers cranky.....how many do you have to drink before you wouldn't notice anymore?

[malleefarmer]

I think I remember Maltsters didn't want to use anything but Harrington(yes, that's how old I am) in the past, slowly but surely they adapted to some of the new varieties that came along.

I guess once they know how it malts and brews they want to stay with it. Add in affecting taste might get beer drinkers cranky.....how many do you have to drink before you wouldn't notice anymore?

Preferred malt here by craft or boutique brewers is maybe 20 yrs old don’t know anyone locally that grows it. But the few that do boy do they pay a premium 60 plus dollars per tonne but a niche market and tight specs.

[Braveheart]

The problem with the seed "tax" is that all members of the value chain benefit, yet they expect only farmers to pay it. Higher yields will see elevator companies will have higher handle. Railtroads wil have more commodities to pull. Better quality or quality traits give the end user a nicer product or the need to buy less of a high end comodity to get the same end product. So if others along the value chain are benefitting from new seed varieties, why target just the farmer?

The moral hazard is of course that others will just pass their extra costs down to the farmer anyway, but still, I think the whole approach is short sighted.

[SASKFARMER]

This is a welfare seed tax.

Makes seed companies like welfare recipients. Rehash varieties and get a big check.

Look at canola it’s a shit show that’s coming from a farm that’s grown ****see canola for over 50 years.