Finally waking up?

[grassfarmer]

Only a Liberal would claim that spending a bunch of membership/donation money and having made no long-lasting change, a resounding success. But at least it kept the NFU leadership in a job and let them stroke their ****, I mean ego, so maybe for them it was a success?

On the contrary their efforts 15 years ago were very successful - their lone opposition was enough to make the seed companies back down for several years. It's only lately they've got cocky and want to try again. Every other "farmer representative" group failed to do anything the first time around and they've failed again this time around - but only now they are going to start asking farmers what their opinion is. A day late and a lot of $ short.

[Wheatking]

Fk - That should never have been a like. And i backspaced the vitriol.

What are your thoughts on this seed tax Lweber . You seem to be a neutral 3rd party and can view this without tinted glasses unlike everyone else that's commenting. I think most value your opinion as a voice of reason(if they don't they should). I know where I stand, but I also realize that I am biased.

[malleefarmer]

Look im a dumb****le.

Farmaholic grows wheat A wheatking grows wheat B

Can farma and wk both keep there own seed from respective varieties?

Can wheat king sell in wheat variety B to farma to "bulk up" meaning he sells him 4 tonne to gow and he keeps the resulting tonnes for seed?

Here in aust as ive said heaps we buy one or two tonne of new seed and bulk up and usually grow it for 3 or 4 years until a superceded model comes out. Pay the #5 end point royalty collected and paid by buyers out of proceeds.

Initial seed for bulking up is 4 to 6 times cost at a guess so last year wheat was around 400 per tonne elevator so seed was about $2000 per tonne but you only buy one or two and your good for years.

I can sell my bulked up seed to another famer but he has to declare the type on delivery.

think you system may be more complcated.

Again not sure been in for 20yrs here to raise money for breeding.

Maybe you guys are mega rich and buy new seed each year?? Just doesnt happen that way here never has never will.

[farmaholic]

Look im a dumb****le.

Farmaholic grows wheat A wheatking grows wheat B

Can farma and wk both keep there own seed from respective varieties?

Can wheat king sell in wheat variety B to farma to "bulk up" meaning he sells him 4 tonne to gow and he keeps the resulting tonnes for seed?

Here in aust as ive said heaps we buy one or two tonne of new seed and bulk up and usually grow it for 3 or 4 years until a superceded model comes out. Pay the #5 end point royalty collected and paid by buyers out of proceeds.

Initial seed for bulking up is 4 to 6 times cost at a guess so last year wheat was around 400 per tonne elevator so seed was about $2000 per tonne but you only buy one or two and your good for years.

I can sell my bulked up seed to another famer but he has to declare the type on delivery.

think you system may be more complcated.

Again not sure been in for 20yrs here to raise money for breeding.

Maybe you guys are mega rich and buy new seed each year?? Just doesnt happen that way here never has never will.

Yes we can keep and use the seed we bought ,royalty paid, to use on our own farm royalty free.
It is now illegal to sell it to another grower. Now both the buyer and seller can be prosecuted.
Many producers do exactly what you described, bulk up a smaller quantity for their own future use.
I don't know any people who buys brand new seed every year.
I think most producers fear the whole seedtax thing morphing into the expensive canola seed gouging model.
Those bastards think there is no limit to what they can charge.....too many parasites and excessive advertising etc built into the seed costs.

[blackpowder]

Keeping farmers from trading seed won't work any better than Prohibition.

[malleefarmer]

So the whole thing is to stop farmer trading?

[farmaholic]

So the whole thing is to stop farmer trading?

And to extract exhorbitant amounts of money from the primary producer.

When, and hopefully never, this is enacted imagine the onslaught of new varieties that will hit the market, all looking for the biggest piece of the pie they can get..... Even if their variety is shit. And maybe even worse than one that was demoted into a lower class or worse yet completely de-registered.

The last thing this Industry needs is more input supplier corporate control and COLLUSION.

EVER GET TIRED OF BEING A FISH IN A BARREL?

[malleefarmer]

varieties never get deregistered here may drop a grade.

I know guys growing wheat bred 15 yrs ago for there exact district newer types not up to scratch

breeders and farmers kinda work hand in hand here wereas you guys might end up at war

[MBgrower]

And to extract exhorbitant amounts of money from the primary producer.

When, and hopefully never, this is enacted imagine the onslaught of new varieties that will hit the market, all looking for the biggest piece of the pie they can get..... Even if their variety is shit. And maybe even worse than one that was demoted into a lower class or worse yet completely de-registered.

The last thing this Industry needs is more input supplier corporate control and COLLUSION.

EVER GET TIRED OF BEING A FISH IN A BARREL?

plus radio, tv commercials 12 months of the year targeting 1% of the population. Madness.

[Rareearth]

varieties never get deregistered here may drop a grade.

I know guys growing wheat bred 15 yrs ago for there exact district newer types not up to scratch

breeders and farmers kinda work hand in hand here wereas you guys might end up at war

Sounds like our Barley varieties, maltster doesn’t want (like? ) the new ones.

Maybe a compromise, new varieties can have the royalty tax BUT it expires after 5 years, then it’s open market and can never be de registered?