Nearly 4 BILLION to dairy and supply managed

[beaverdam]

This is what successful lobbying from a effective, powerful producer organization looks like. All of our organizations could learn a thing or two from the Dairy Council of Canada.

Bullshit,,, straight up this is all about buying votes before an election. This has been planned out for probably 2 years already. This is the only way the Trudeau administration has any hope of winning re-election. The LPC will be loosing seats in B.C., AB, possibly Ralph's in SK, they need to gain seats in Quebec and hold what they have in the Maritimes.

[beaverdam]

I asked a guy at pulse Canada if it was maybe time to hire a lobbyist from either...

A. The dairy sector
B. The auto sector
C. The steel sector
D. All of the above

Gord thought they were doing a good job....


My response...." whatever you are doing isn't working. "....

I don't think he caught the insult nor latched on to the idea...

This is why we have no voice....

Oh sure they cover their ass by telling producers they are very vocal in private conversations with government officials.....well that ain't working either....

Pulse Canada management should resign....pulse growers have been in deep shit for 3 years already and they are not making a difference other than a retirement fund for themselves. ...

Sub 6 bucks for peas while beyond meat is worth more than real meat?

Lentils at under 20 cents and the hardest crop on headers and combines. They paid more for garbage reds in 2016 than good quality for the last 3 years...

But producers are suppose to say ....good job Gord.....here is some more mandatory checkoff funds. ...

Pulse and Canola problems haven't seem to be heard in Ottawa because these huge payments(half of which are going to Qbeck) have been in the works for atleast 2 years.

How much money can any Canadian government give to Agriculture without causing an uproar? Only a finite amount of money will ever go to Agriculture, and the Liberal Party of Canada needs that money(or as much as it can) to go to Qbeck.

Besides, as soon as you have some sort of payment going to Ag, you know there'll be posters here complaining that free marketers shouldn't get anything. They'll cut off their nose, to spite their face. Have you ever heard dairy people complaining about receiving any government payment, or complaining about milk price structure going up? There all in on it,

[bucket]

Pulse and Canola problems haven't seem to be heard in Ottawa because these huge payments(half of which are going to Qbeck) have been in the works for atleast 2 years.

How much money can any Canadian government give to Agriculture without causing an uproar? Only a finite amount of money will ever go to Agriculture, and the Liberal Party of Canada needs that money(or as much as it can) to go to Qbeck.

Besides, as soon as you have some sort of payment going to Ag, you know there'll be posters here complaining that free marketers shouldn't get anything. They'll cut off their nose, to spite their face. Have you ever heard dairy people complaining about receiving any government payment, or complaining about milk price structure going up? There all in on it,

And consumers won't even ask for lower milk prices....while grain producers are basically shunned by the general public because its an open market....

What they don't understand is while it is true its an open market , it is highly influenced by the US pushing payments directly to the farmers...

And while dairy cries foul on the trade deals they are allowed to be highly subsidized while guaranteeing themselves an indexed price of their milk...never has milk gone down in price in my little world....

Dairy farmers are not being paid because their milk isn't making them money .....they are being paid for the governments will to trade their market in a trade agreement...

In my little mind its no different than being shut out of a market due to government intervention in something totally unrelated like the Huawei executive...

I should say this ...I am not envious of them getting the payment...I just don't understand why other sectors are ignored...

[Misterjade9]

You are correct that it is vote buying to some extent, but remember this money was already promised by the Conservative government before they were defeated. This first installment is to compensate for the TPP and CETA, the rest will come when NAFTA 2.0 is signed. This was money lobbied for and secured by the Dairy Council of Canada. It doesn't hurt any political party that half of Canada's dairy producers are in Quebec. The only one with enough balls to stand up to them was MAD MAX. The thing that bothers me the most is the hypocrisy of the whole situation, trade disruption is trade disruption, whether it was negotiated in good faith in a trade agreement, or screwed up by incompetency both need to be handled in the same manner.

[bucket]

So some quick math from the news....if an 80 cow dairy is getting 28000....then the farm that recently burned down with 800 plus cows would be getting 280,000 plus another 60000 for the cows still alive....

I am not complaining....but a 80 cow calf herd on the prairies eat as well and are shut out of meat markets...

Can someone explain the difference...and why shouldn't beef producers be getting the same funding considering the tough spring where guys were forced to sell with no pastures....

[furrowtickler]

Pulse Canada is also mostly ignoring the biggest threat to pea acres ...... the real cause of root rot .
The blame it on too much moisture and rotation .... lol . My area had 6/10 of rain from May 1st through early July but some pea fields had root rot . I pointed it out to local Sask Pulse people , for the 4th year in a row with very similar conditions..... it was completely ignored , again .
Acres will continue to struggle going forward not only on price but on lack of understanding of how their product grows.
Some know the story , but intentionally ignore facts . Their loss , and a huge loss to a great rotational crop for producers.

[beaverdam]

bucket, "I should say this ...I am not envious of them getting the payment...I just don't understand why other sectors are ignored... "

I agree, other sectors shouldn't be ignored, but if the feds would have made a payment for pulses in 2018 and for canola in 2019, there wouldn't have been enough money left for Ag, to payout to dairy.
And right now the LPC needs money for dairy as half will end up in Qbeck, and there's an election coming. Payments for canola and pulses won't garner any votes or win ridings for the LPC, but they need the influence in Qbeck. This has been planned for awhile.
This is politics at it's grandest.

[bucket]

Pulse Canada is also mostly ignoring the biggest threat to pea acres ...... the real cause of root rot .
The blame it on too much moisture and rotation .... lol . My area had 6/10 of rain from May 1st through early July but some pea fields had root rot . I pointed it out to local Sask Pulse people , for the 4th year in a row with very similar conditions..... it was completely ignored , again .
Acres will continue to struggle going forward not only on price but on lack of understanding of how their product grows.
Some know the story , but intentionally ignore facts . Their loss , and a huge loss to a great rotational crop for producers.

Do you think that some of the ignorance is from the push from chemical companies to get their share of treating the problem? Not saying it does or doesn't help but there seems to be something else going on when root rots show up in a year like this...

[bucket]

bucket, "I should say this ...I am not envious of them getting the payment...I just don't understand why other sectors are ignored... "

I agree, other sectors shouldn't be ignored, but if the feds would have made a payment for pulses in 2018 and for canola in 2019, there wouldn't have been enough money left for Ag, to payout to dairy.
And right now the LPC needs money for dairy as half will end up in Qbeck, and there's an election coming. Payments for canola and pulses won't garner any votes or win ridings for the LPC, but they need the influence in Qbeck. This has been planned for awhile.
This is politics at it's grandest.

There is plenty of money if Trudeau hadn't thrown it all over the world on absolutely useless causes....

[bucket]

And don't forget ...we got an extension to the loan payment.....