This opinion needs to be considered

[dmlfarmer]

The most vocal on this list either fully support Trump or else feel he should just be ignored and not discussed on this forum because he is not the leader of Canada. The fact is his policies have a direct bearing on prices and markets in Canada. Canadian wheat prices are determined by US futures markets. Canola prices even though are supposedly determined by ICE are closely tied to US Soybean futures and prices. Higher cost of parts and equipment is partially the result of Trump's tariffs. His legal demand that Canada follow international law and detain the Hwaway executive caused our canola problems with China. Blame Trudeau all you want but the fact is Trudeau was in a no win situation. Does his piss off the Chinese or Trump? The plight of the American farmer is reflected and a forbearing of what Canadian farmers should expect. His legal d

That said, regardless of your political loyalties, this opinion column, and the associated opinions must be read and considered. It is a third party look at the impact Trump policies has had on farmers and why farmers refuse to see it. It is not written by some media hack - but a Nobel prize winning economist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/trump-trade-farmers.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Ho mepage#commentsContainer https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/trump-trade-farmers.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Ho mepage#commentsContainer

[Robertbarlage]

Did our grain companies adjust price for carbon tax?

[Guest]

everyone did
everytime something is touched, over and over and over, and added GST on top of it everytime it was applied to the same product
canadians need to know what tax grab scam that is

[chuckChuck]

From the article posted by DML
"In short, farmers’ support for Trump should be seen as a form of affinity fraud, in which people fall for a con man whom they imagine to be someone like them.

And as is often the case in such frauds, the con man and his associates actually have contempt for their marks.

Recently Sonny Perdue, the agriculture secretary, let the mask slip during a meeting with farmers complaining about their plight. “What do you call two farmers in a basement?” he snarked. “A whine cellar.”

Trump’s own remarks about trade with Japan were even more telling. According to a White House transcript, Trump complained that while Japan sends us millions of cars, “We send them wheat. Wheat. (Laughter.)” Do farmers realize that their president considers their livelihood a joke?

So what will happen as the trade war drags on? Don’t expect farmers to suddenly exclaim en masse, “Hey, we’ve been had!” Real life doesn’t work that way. But they have, in fact, been had, and they may finally be starting to realize it."

[Guest]

dml , we can't do anything about trump, only try to get along and hope he will help us when the shitstorm arrives
but we can get rid of this money wasting idiot, economy killing imbassile we have here

[furrowtickler]

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All true, nothing to disagree with in Krugman's analysis.

But, he ignores the other side of the story. By assuming that this is somehow uniquely a Trump issue, and would have been any different under a different president at the same time. Yes, perhaps it would have been more diplomatic, and less done by tweets in the public eye, but all of the leading candidates last time around were advocating for more protectionism. Same with this time:
https://reason.com/2019/05/16/will-2020-democrats-save-america-from-trumps-protectionist-trade-policies-dont-count-on-it/ https://reason.com/2019/05/16/will-2020-democrats-save-america-from-trumps-protectionist-trade-policies-dont-count-on-it/

This was coming regardless if it is right or wrong.

And as another poster points out, he isn't our president, none of us voted for him, and have no control over what is happening. The best we can do is make the best of a bad situation, and not make it any worse by electing an incompetent imbecile at the same time we have to deal with fallout from Trump's policies.

Here is a quote referring to the previous election:

And in the 2016 presidential election, there was scant fundamental difference between the two main candidates’ trade policies. Both Hillary Clinton and Trump, notwithstanding some minor differences on trade, questioned American support of multilateral trade agreements and engaged in worker-centric and populist rhetoric on globalization.

[LEP]

Personally, I think Modi and Xi have more to do with prices being in the shitter.

Has Trudope phoned either of them regarding this issue? I think someone on here said Modi's position was understandable, which really means that they don't grow lentils or peas.

Has anyone phoned Italy regarding their position on glyphosate? This having an Ag Minister that is invisible sucks. Say what you want about Ritz, but he would have engaged on all of these issues.

[Hamloc]

The most vocal on this list either fully support Trump or else feel he should just be ignored and not discussed on this forum because he is not the leader of Canada. The fact is his policies have a direct bearing on prices and markets in Canada. Canadian wheat prices are determined by US futures markets. Canola prices even though are supposedly determined by ICE are closely tied to US Soybean futures and prices. Higher cost of parts and equipment is partially the result of Trump's tariffs. His legal demand that Canada follow international law and detain the Hwaway executive caused our canola problems with China. Blame Trudeau all you want but the fact is Trudeau was in a no win situation. Does his piss off the Chinese or Trump? The plight of the American farmer is reflected and a forbearing of what Canadian farmers should expect. His legal d

That said, regardless of your political loyalties, this opinion column, and the associated opinions must be read and considered. It is a third party look at the impact Trump policies has had on farmers and why farmers refuse to see it. It is not written by some media hack - but a Nobel prize winning economist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/trump-trade-farmers.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Ho mepage#commentsContainer https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/opinion/trump-trade-farmers.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Ho mepage#commentsContainer

No offence dml but when I saw that Paul Krugman wrote the article I didn't read it. He is the left of center go to economist. I have read articles where he says that government debt is no problem and that governments should go into debt more than they do now. Having said that there is no doubt Trump's tariffs have influenced the price of parts. At my favourite hydraulic and bearing shop the prices went up not long after the tariffs went on. But dealers sitting with lots full of over priced machinery have certainly added to the parts margin to try and keep afloat. And I agree when Canada agreed to detain Meng Wanzhou that that set us down the path to the Chinese not buying out canola et al. Personally I had hope when Trump got in that he would be an improvement over lifetime politicians like Hillary Clinton but he was not. Unfortunately today Americans will have to choose between Democrats like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren and on the other side Donald Trump. As far as I am concerned they are all crazy.

As far as Canada goes we have the Liberal's attacking Andrew Scheer for something he said 14 years ago and the msm is piling on. Justin Trudeau said a couple weeks ago that this would a positive campaign with no personal attacks, what a lying piece of s**t. Enjoy your day.

[bucket]

It is the government of Canada's responsibilities to act on Trumps impact on our economy. ...

I will try again....the steel industry got a 2 billion dollar relief fund....

Other industries got money...the dairy industry. ...


The money came from Canadian taxpayers not Trump....

[jazz]

Krugman? The economist who supported and encouraged the Iraq war, called for bank bailouts, and massive stimulus? That Krugman. Guy is a commie hack and so is the NYT.

People dont like trump because he shines a light in uncomfortable places. If you think the china trade was fair you are fd in the head. Trump stopped the insanity before the US gave everything away to china.

Trudeau put a carbon tarrif on everything and for no reason and then he charged GST on the tax. Talk about that dml.

[the big wheel]

Personally, I think Modi and Xi have more to do with prices being in the shitter.

Has Trudope phoned either of them regarding this issue? I think someone on here said Modi's position was understandable, which really means that they don't grow lentils or peas.

Has anyone phoned Italy regarding their position on glyphosate? This having an Ag Minister that is invisible sucks. Say what you want about Ritz, but he would have engaged on all of these issues.

Yes ritz would be engaged going back and forth between them and the grain companies for advice. Which would lead us to where we are right now. Your right. The grain cos would be liooked after.
This blind support for the conservatives has to end just as much as booting the wiener out. We will benefit in social issues by getting the wiener out but ag will be the same old story look after the guys above primary producers.

[bucket]

The primary producers of the agriculture industry are important to any country's well being...

**** that up and you have problems....

India supports farmers....The US supports farmers...the EU supports farmers....


Canada does nothing when its worth 70 million tonnes of exports....NOTHING...

[jazz]

What happend to the canola trade mission supposed to happen this summer? Guess skippy was using the jet.

What about our foreign affairs minister afraid to leave Ottawa. Skippy doesnt even take her to the G7 meetings. Trump hammers out a trade deal in 5 minutes over coffee.

[dmlfarmer]

Krugman? The economist who supported and encouraged the Iraq war, called for bank bailouts, and massive stimulus? That Krugman. Guy is a commie hack and so is the NYT.

People dont like trump because he shines a light in uncomfortable places. If you think the china trade was fair you are fd in the head. Trump stopped the insanity before the US gave everything away to china.

Trudeau put a carbon tarrif on everything and for no reason and then he charged GST on the tax. Talk about that dml.

Trump supported the Iraq war too. Trump called for bank bailouts too. Trump not only called for massive stimulus, he is injecting massive stimulus into a full economy in the form of tax cuts and running trillion dollar deficits every year. So by calling out Krugman on these issues, you best question Trump too.