Seed Survey... Have your opinion recorded at 'seedroyaltysurvey.com'

[sumdumguy]

If buyers refuse to collect it, what will happen? Just like the Comi Pulse Levy. Stooges collect it, record it and deliver it on a silver platter to be frittered away. There was a day when that board earned its keep, but today they can’t even fight for the farmers they are supposed to represent in tariff war nor seed tax. Refuse to collect it!

[farmaholic]

The SeedCos need to develop what they think is needed and wanted at their own risk.
If it has value it will be bought.
Why should I pay an endpoint royalty on some shit variety? ....reward them for pushing anything new into the market that may have less value than what we currently have or the varieties that HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEREGIDTERED OR MOVED INTO A "LOWER CLASS".

**** YOU!

[farmaholic]

Like the Sask Ag and Food moron who compared this to buying a new truck. You get all the improvements and new bells and whistles with the new compared to the old one. But GM, Ford or Dodge doesn't charge me a yearly fee to drive it once I bought it.....and this is a university educated person representing Agriculture...."book smart practically stupid"!!!!! And being paid with taxpayer dollars!!!!

Also, how many ways are Primary Producers already contributing to breeding?
-Commodity groups through check offs
-Paying Royalties on Certified seed
-Through the WGRF ftom Railway over charges
-income taxes through government funded research

Anyone know of any other way we contribute?

[grassfarmer]

Braveheart, the betrayal and deregistration of seed varieties/grower rights to farm saved seed has been articulated in detail... Progeny is yours until some contract cancels our right of ownership...I was astounded when UPOV 78 PBR pea seed was confiscated in my bin... and was told after growing it... to liquidate it as grain... or pay $1.50/bu if used as seed...on my own farm.... astounding result I never thought possible...So I am high on the 'wall of shame' for fighting for our property seed rights... to not fight against confiscation... would be hypocritical...some things don't change...I get in deep .... for standing on principal.

So does that mean you have changed sides? Only a few months ago you were courageously telling all the doubters on here that a seed tax was legitimate, justifiable and necessary.

[farmaholic]

....fish in a barrel.

Maybe the SeedCos should take their model to Russia or the Ukraine, or some other corrupt lawless country.
Then we can grow the stuff developed in those counties royalty free.
Setting up laws to "protect profits" of SeedCos....thats all this is about.

[bucket]

Who is buying Canadian grains....


are the railways capable of handling more ...

And will returns to producers be higher....


We have lost markets

Railways still have a long way to go

And prices to producers are in the 70s


But railway charges have been indexed all along as has everything else....


Now the seed companies want indexing to make money like the railways. ...

Grow more make less

We lose on every bushel but make it up on volume

Tom was sent out to feel the crowd on this issue ..the masters wanted to find out if they have forgot about it yet...

[SASKFARMER]

Tom, I am stating my side.


This seed tax is all about making seed companies corporate welfare bums.

Get a check for nothing each year from stupid farmers on every load.

its is a total crock of shit.

Welfare for dummies.

[TOM4CWB]

So what do new varieties offer? Higher yields? Better quality traits? If that's what then this approach on producers paying seed royalties is wrong.

Higher yields will be benefit farmers yes, but elevator and grain companies will then handle more which equals more revenue. Railways will have more to haul equals more revenue. Taking this further, higher yields mean more commodity which as we see means lower prices so a plus for end users.

Higher quality a boon to the end user.

So then a seed royalty (tax) that is only paid by producers is WRONG because other members along the value chain benefit, possibly more than the producer.

The moral hazard is that those further up the value chain would just pass their costs down to the farmer.

The concept of taxing farm saved seed is even more ludicrous as a royalty on pure seed is one thing, but even one generation removed from certified cannot be considered pure enough for someone else to garner a royalty from. I purchased, then grew. Progeny is now MINE. For you, Tom Jackson to fail to protect my property rights here is very hypocritical as you fought for property rights selling wheat during the Wheat Board Wars.

Braveheart, the betrayal and deregistration of seed varieties/grower rights to farm saved seed has been articulated in detail... Progeny is yours until some contract cancels our right of ownership...I was astounded when UPOV 78 PBR pea seed was confiscated in my bin... and was told after growing it... to liquidate it as grain... or pay $1.50/bu if used as seed...on my own farm.... astounding result I never thought possible...So I am high on the 'wall of shame' for fighting for our property seed rights... to not fight against confiscation... would be hypocritical...some things don't change...I get in deep .... for standing on principal.

[grassfarmer]

So are you changing sides again Tom? like you did on the CWB, the Alberta Land Bills, the Wildrose? It's unclear from your comments if you have or if you're keeping a foot in both camps until you see which side is likely to win out again.
I'll fill it in but the survey is much ado about nothing - 3 organizations that have sat back and done nothing on this issue for over a decade suddenly deciding it's maybe worth asking their members what their opinions are - at some point in the future I guess they might decide to formulate policy based on this input. A lot of days late and a lot of dollars short.

[macdon02]

Unless you're living in a third world country, supply isn't an issue. We are over producing for demand. And Tommy boy, if you haven't figured out yet that you won't be getting a slice of the royalty, you are in for a rude surprise. In '89 the seed industry wanted a bigger slice, every time commodity prices get pushed under cost of production the industry looks for regulation to prevent having to eat a bullet. Im ok with less research. We always over produce eventually. The industry is relying on demand coming back. It doesn't have to. Vietnam just culled 5 million hogs due to the flu. If this virus mutates and start taking out people, we are ***rd. Attached is the price of soybeans in Argentina pesos, they'll plant every possible corner of the country in beans.