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[SASKFARMER]

Tom, I am stating my side.


This seed tax is all about making seed companies corporate welfare bums.

Get a check for nothing each year from stupid farmers on every load.

its is a total crock of shit.

Welfare for dummies.

[bucket]

Who is buying Canadian grains....


are the railways capable of handling more ...

And will returns to producers be higher....


We have lost markets

Railways still have a long way to go

And prices to producers are in the 70s


But railway charges have been indexed all along as has everything else....


Now the seed companies want indexing to make money like the railways. ...

Grow more make less

We lose on every bushel but make it up on volume

Tom was sent out to feel the crowd on this issue ..the masters wanted to find out if they have forgot about it yet...

[farmaholic]

....fish in a barrel.

Maybe the SeedCos should take their model to Russia or the Ukraine, or some other corrupt lawless country.
Then we can grow the stuff developed in those counties royalty free.
Setting up laws to "protect profits" of SeedCos....thats all this is about.

[grassfarmer]

Braveheart, the betrayal and deregistration of seed varieties/grower rights to farm saved seed has been articulated in detail... Progeny is yours until some contract cancels our right of ownership...I was astounded when UPOV 78 PBR pea seed was confiscated in my bin... and was told after growing it... to liquidate it as grain... or pay $1.50/bu if used as seed...on my own farm.... astounding result I never thought possible...So I am high on the 'wall of shame' for fighting for our property seed rights... to not fight against confiscation... would be hypocritical...some things don't change...I get in deep .... for standing on principal.

So does that mean you have changed sides? Only a few months ago you were courageously telling all the doubters on here that a seed tax was legitimate, justifiable and necessary.

[farmaholic]

Like the Sask Ag and Food moron who compared this to buying a new truck. You get all the improvements and new bells and whistles with the new compared to the old one. But GM, Ford or Dodge doesn't charge me a yearly fee to drive it once I bought it.....and this is a university educated person representing Agriculture...."book smart practically stupid"!!!!! And being paid with taxpayer dollars!!!!

Also, how many ways are Primary Producers already contributing to breeding?
-Commodity groups through check offs
-Paying Royalties on Certified seed
-Through the WGRF ftom Railway over charges
-income taxes through government funded research

Anyone know of any other way we contribute?

[farmaholic]

The SeedCos need to develop what they think is needed and wanted at their own risk.
If it has value it will be bought.
Why should I pay an endpoint royalty on some shit variety? ....reward them for pushing anything new into the market that may have less value than what we currently have or the varieties that HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEREGIDTERED OR MOVED INTO A "LOWER CLASS".

**** YOU!

[sumdumguy]

If buyers refuse to collect it, what will happen? Just like the Comi Pulse Levy. Stooges collect it, record it and deliver it on a silver platter to be frittered away. There was a day when that board earned its keep, but today they can’t even fight for the farmers they are supposed to represent in tariff war nor seed tax. Refuse to collect it!

[blueversi]

Like the Sask Ag and Food moron who compared this to buying a new truck. You get all the improvements and new bells and whistles with the new compared to the old one. But GM, Ford or Dodge doesn't charge me a yearly fee to drive it once I bought it.....and this is a university educated person representing Agriculture...."book smart practically stupid"!!!!! And being paid with taxpayer dollars!!!!

Also, how many ways are Primary Producers already contributing to breeding?
-Commodity groups through check offs
-Paying Royalties on Certified seed
-Through the WGRF ftom Railway over charges
-income taxes through government funded research

Anyone know of any other way we contribute?

Thing is maybe we don’t want or need bells and whistles, do we really need a back up camera or turn by turn navigation etc, all that crap is to keep engineers in a job same as these seed breeders, we have crops that work now maybe we don’t need their new and improved versions.

[Braveheart]

I believe part of the problem is the new business school grads that must be advising on this seed tax. They can't seem to come up with a business model that doesn't include ongoing fees. The "Noveau Riche" are now that way because of monthly billing, billable hours, etc. The trailing or end point royalties are the seed industries attempt to join the ranks of the cell phone and internet, sat radio crowd. Everyone wants their slice be it monthly, weekly etc.

Honestly it shows the seed industry's lack of any real desire to be innovative. They lay it off on the argument that the grain industry in Canada is being outpaced. Really have their new varieties of late given us any leg up? The yields and any quality improvements have actually come from producers practices of fertilizer type and placement, fungicide, more grain conditioning on farm, etc.

Want to see an uncompetitive grain industry in Canada? Keep grinding down farmer profitability to. The point where there's not enough margin to invest in innovation.

[TOM4CWB]

I believe part of the problem is the new business school grads that must be advising on this seed tax. They can't seem to come up with a business model that doesn't include ongoing fees. The "Noveau Riche" are now that way because of monthly billing, billable hours, etc. The trailing or end point royalties are the seed industries attempt to join the ranks of the cell phone and internet, sat radio crowd. Everyone wants their slice be it monthly, weekly etc.

Honestly it shows the seed industry's lack of any real desire to be innovative. They lay it off on the argument that the grain industry in Canada is being outpaced. Really have their new varieties of late given us any leg up? The yields and any quality improvements have actually come from producers practices of fertilizer type and placement, fungicide, more grain conditioning on farm, etc.

Want to see an uncompetitive grain industry in Canada? Keep grinding down farmer profitability to. The point where there's not enough margin to invest in innovation.

Braveheart etel;

I have stated clearly and concisely in 'Seed Trade' consultations:

An inefficient 'seed tax' will in time... be disrupted by a different more efficient lower cost 'direct' seed provision directly to commercial grain growers; a lower cost seed genetics alternative ... If plant breeders and seed companies are too greedy. [Imports of deregulated seed genetics from eastern Europe or China for instance]

Where exactly that tipping point is... /has yet to be defined exactly;

However the public reaction by commercial grain growers in western Canada... clearly has 'drawn the 'proverbial' line in the sand' so to speak... as many have concisely communicated here on Agriville;

This above 'unpopular' perspective [to the Seed Establishment] was pointedly and repeatedly provided and articulated to the Seed Trade and Seed Companies in our meetings this summer... most grassroots seed growers are well aware and weary of seemingly never ending increasing fees and royalties... just as commercial grain growers express here on Agriville. This particular Seed Survey [being done by AFA/APAS/KAP] is a direct result of our increasing farm cost [RE:regulated monopoly / overhead cost] concern... which cannot easily be passed on to International food grain end users by western Canadian commercial grain growers. To strike a balance of access to the best most competitive seed varieties... at the lowest reasonable cost... is receiving considerable further examination... the result of which has caused considerable reexamination of these complex factors. Private property rights... and the tradition of farm saved seed... need to be recognized as cornerstones of the present grain farming culture in western Canadian Agriculture.