Seed Survey... Have your opinion recorded at 'seedroyaltysurvey.com'

[farmaholic]

The SeedCos need to develop what they think is needed and wanted at their own risk.
If it has value it will be bought.
Why should I pay an endpoint royalty on some shit variety? ....reward them for pushing anything new into the market that may have less value than what we currently have or the varieties that HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEREGIDTERED OR MOVED INTO A "LOWER CLASS".

**** YOU!

[sumdumguy]

If buyers refuse to collect it, what will happen? Just like the Comi Pulse Levy. Stooges collect it, record it and deliver it on a silver platter to be frittered away. There was a day when that board earned its keep, but today they can’t even fight for the farmers they are supposed to represent in tariff war nor seed tax. Refuse to collect it!

[blueversi]

Like the Sask Ag and Food moron who compared this to buying a new truck. You get all the improvements and new bells and whistles with the new compared to the old one. But GM, Ford or Dodge doesn't charge me a yearly fee to drive it once I bought it.....and this is a university educated person representing Agriculture...."book smart practically stupid"!!!!! And being paid with taxpayer dollars!!!!

Also, how many ways are Primary Producers already contributing to breeding?
-Commodity groups through check offs
-Paying Royalties on Certified seed
-Through the WGRF ftom Railway over charges
-income taxes through government funded research

Anyone know of any other way we contribute?

Thing is maybe we don’t want or need bells and whistles, do we really need a back up camera or turn by turn navigation etc, all that crap is to keep engineers in a job same as these seed breeders, we have crops that work now maybe we don’t need their new and improved versions.

[Braveheart]

I believe part of the problem is the new business school grads that must be advising on this seed tax. They can't seem to come up with a business model that doesn't include ongoing fees. The "Noveau Riche" are now that way because of monthly billing, billable hours, etc. The trailing or end point royalties are the seed industries attempt to join the ranks of the cell phone and internet, sat radio crowd. Everyone wants their slice be it monthly, weekly etc.

Honestly it shows the seed industry's lack of any real desire to be innovative. They lay it off on the argument that the grain industry in Canada is being outpaced. Really have their new varieties of late given us any leg up? The yields and any quality improvements have actually come from producers practices of fertilizer type and placement, fungicide, more grain conditioning on farm, etc.

Want to see an uncompetitive grain industry in Canada? Keep grinding down farmer profitability to. The point where there's not enough margin to invest in innovation.

[TOM4CWB]

I believe part of the problem is the new business school grads that must be advising on this seed tax. They can't seem to come up with a business model that doesn't include ongoing fees. The "Noveau Riche" are now that way because of monthly billing, billable hours, etc. The trailing or end point royalties are the seed industries attempt to join the ranks of the cell phone and internet, sat radio crowd. Everyone wants their slice be it monthly, weekly etc.

Honestly it shows the seed industry's lack of any real desire to be innovative. They lay it off on the argument that the grain industry in Canada is being outpaced. Really have their new varieties of late given us any leg up? The yields and any quality improvements have actually come from producers practices of fertilizer type and placement, fungicide, more grain conditioning on farm, etc.

Want to see an uncompetitive grain industry in Canada? Keep grinding down farmer profitability to. The point where there's not enough margin to invest in innovation.

Braveheart etel;

I have stated clearly and concisely in 'Seed Trade' consultations:

An inefficient 'seed tax' will in time... be disrupted by a different more efficient lower cost 'direct' seed provision directly to commercial grain growers; a lower cost seed genetics alternative ... If plant breeders and seed companies are too greedy. [Imports of deregulated seed genetics from eastern Europe or China for instance]

Where exactly that tipping point is... /has yet to be defined exactly;

However the public reaction by commercial grain growers in western Canada... clearly has 'drawn the 'proverbial' line in the sand' so to speak... as many have concisely communicated here on Agriville;

This above 'unpopular' perspective [to the Seed Establishment] was pointedly and repeatedly provided and articulated to the Seed Trade and Seed Companies in our meetings this summer... most grassroots seed growers are well aware and weary of seemingly never ending increasing fees and royalties... just as commercial grain growers express here on Agriville. This particular Seed Survey [being done by AFA/APAS/KAP] is a direct result of our increasing farm cost [RE:regulated monopoly / overhead cost] concern... which cannot easily be passed on to International food grain end users by western Canadian commercial grain growers. To strike a balance of access to the best most competitive seed varieties... at the lowest reasonable cost... is receiving considerable further examination... the result of which has caused considerable reexamination of these complex factors. Private property rights... and the tradition of farm saved seed... need to be recognized as cornerstones of the present grain farming culture in western Canadian Agriculture.

[SASKFARMER]

The tipping point tom this is another Tax on Farmers. We can't afford this.

Russia and Ukraine and South America are kicking our ass.

More taxes gets us closer to RB auction and done.

**** I hope farmers arent this stupid and believe all the bullshit.

ITS a tax and they will do to Cereals what happened to Canola.

Lots of fancy brochures and the same shit we grew 30 years ago.

Bullshit Seed TAx.

[bucket]

So the people that are really profiting from this are the railways with higher volumes of grain to move and graincos with better volumes and quality????


But lets say this current rain event takes the new improved varieties to feed status this year...

where is the ROI to farmers????making it up on volume? with slow start this year that got this crop to a september rain downgrade....

I find it odd that every time something better supposedly comes along so does consolidation...

If there is more volume why not keep elevator open and invest in those facilities for the higher volume...nope they close them... higher volumes in this area should have justified the 10000 tonne Eyebrow elevator for an upgrade...they mothballed it...as I drove to Moose Jaw yesterday down highway 42 looking at the rail tracks 120 feet parallel to the highway...45 miles extra to haul grain...

[walterm]

How is other countries out pacing us in varieties?

Higher yielding - haven't seen any comparisons under SAME growing conditions.

Better quality - haven't seen any milling or baking comparisons.

Better price - we price ours into the same market that would be a market or marketer issue not a quality issue.

[bucket]

What is worse is the Eyebrow elevator will sit idle...wont be sold...it should be a forced sale on a competition ruling but no one gives a shit...Viterra has all the facilities on the line that runs from Moose Jaw to Gardiner Dam terminal near Loreburn...

Local farmers are more than happy to purchase bins , semis , fuel, tires and time to move their grain further...They think of it as a feather in their cap...

[bucket]

How is other countries out pacing us in varieties?

Higher yielding - haven't seen any comparisons under SAME growing conditions.

Better quality - haven't seen any milling or baking comparisons.

Better price - we price ours into the same market that would be a market or marketer issue not a quality issue.

Where do you think they got their genetics from????

It only takes 5 to 10 containers of specific grain purchased by a country to get that seed...

It doesn't all go for processing...

[jazz]

How is other countries out pacing us?

Cheaper input costs. 3rd world wages, no carbon tax, no social programs to pay for, and lower transport costs because they have invested in infrastructure.

Got nothing to do with variety and yield.

[bucket]

Deregister and rename. ....that's the scam.....

[HITTGrapevine]

Its nearly election time. Perfect opportunity to pin down political leaders on the issue. Ask them where they stand on the tax and hold their feet to the fire if the get elected. Ya, I know, it's a bit like squeezing a greased pig but it might be worth a try

[bucket]

Its nearly election time. Perfect opportunity to pin down political leaders on the issue. Ask them where they stand on the tax and hold their feet to the fire if the get elected. Ya, I know, it's a bit like squeezing a greased pig but it might be worth a try

First they have to be able to spell agriculture or at least say the word....

Scheer , Trudeau, May, Singh.....havent a fu cking clue about agriculture......zero...

[TASFarms]

How is other countries out pacing us in varieties?

Higher yielding - haven't seen any comparisons under SAME growing conditions.

Better quality - haven't seen any milling or baking comparisons.

Better price - we price ours into the same market that would be a market or marketer issue not a quality issue.

A local colony was bragging about selling maxim lentils to a coop it the states for big bucks. Just shipped them as bin run I wonder 12 years later if they think it was a good idea now lentils at $.16 per pound