How much has been lost????

[farmaholic]

One thing I don't get is that we are told we need a seed tax to increase yields, that not enough is being spent on research. All grain prices are in the tank right now because everybody is predicting a large crop. Why should we spend more to grow more and receive less!?!?

This isn't being persued for Primary Producer's benefit, but we are going to pay for it!

[fjlip]

Come on Climate Emergency, destroy more crops, shortages to teach consumers about hunger?

[grassfarmer]

Maybe a billion dollars in crop quality is pretty accurate.

But Canada has lost 1000 times more than that having skippy in charge. That will be hard to recover from.

What absolute nonsense you post. That would imply a $1 Trillion loss due to Trudeau. Canada's total GDP rose from only $1.55 Trillion in 2015 to $1.7 Trillion in 2018 so where did your fictitious $1 Trillion loss come from?

[jazz]

What absolute nonsense you post. That would imply a $1 Trillion loss due to Trudeau. Canada's total GDP rose from only $1.55 Trillion in 2015 to $1.7 Trillion in 2018 so where did your fictitious $1 Trillion loss come from?

Hundreds of billions of dollars in lost investment, resource revenue, cancelled projects, money fleeing.

Want me to add it up for you grass.

Lost resource revenue - TMX and Energy east. canola. easy $50B
Lost opportunity cost not closing the heavy differential with export capacity easy $50B
NGL plant cancellations - $200B
Investment leaving the country $250B
Extra debt added since election $125B

[Sheepwheat]

In answer to the thread starting question, I hate to say it, but far, far less than most think. I have lived through swamp conditions, and to be frank, if the crops are standing, not much will occur. Swathed sure, lots of hurt. Canola will be just fine, in fact, more than fine. the talk of bushel weight loss from rain is especially puzzling; maybe for 27 years I have been exceptionally lucky to not have weights lowered because of rain.

There is LOTS of time. And besides, feed wheat prices are darn close to milling prices anyway if you shop around. If you KNOW your crops have gone to feed quality, I would be booking some in now!

I am completely serious, and do not mean to belittle this weather, or the concerns over its effects. I can see how if this is an unusual occurrence, rain during harvest, it could be concerning. But this is just typical for us, and a far greater concern is frost in the next two weeks or so...

Chin up guys, it truly is not as bad as you may currently think...

Cheers

[furrowtickler]

In answer to the thread starting question, I hate to say it, but far, far less than most think. I have lived through swamp conditions, and to be frank, if the crops are standing, not much will occur. Swathed sure, lots of hurt. Canola will be just fine, in fact, more than fine. the talk of bushel weight loss from rain is especially puzzling; maybe for 27 years I have been exceptionally lucky to not have weights lowered because of rain.

There is LOTS of time. And besides, feed wheat prices are darn close to milling prices anyway if you shop around. If you KNOW your crops have gone to feed quality, I would be booking some in now!

I am completely serious, and do not mean to belittle this weather, or the concerns over its effects. I can see how if this is an unusual occurrence, rain during harvest, it could be concerning. But this is just typical for us, and a far greater concern is frost in the next two weeks or so...

Chin up guys, it truly is not as bad as you may currently think...

Cheers

Agree on most , but .... do the math on “milling” prices now from last year . Even feed . That drop in price was the thin profit margin .... its gone .
Prices down at least a dollar a bushel or more for last year . Add in higher inputs and extra tax’s .... that’s the point ..

[fjlip]

Our canola swaths sat 40 days last year, and in crap weather Sept 8- Oct 4, all #1, very little dry of course till AFTER we got done. Larry shows little % in swath this year, 2010 and 2014 way more acres in swath, that makes feed grades. Hell in my career, remember combining swaths that were growing and GREEN easily seen from cab! Yes all feed. Not a pea /lentil expert up here. Agree sadly prices are same as 70's with 10 times the input costs! Ah the good old days, but we never knew it then.

[farming101]

Bushel weight losses occur in oilseeds when they are dried down ready to harvest and then get an extended wet spell. Took a hit to flax in '16 and canola last year. (Still graded a 1)
If still curing when it rains no loss

[dmlfarmer]

Hundreds of billions of dollars in lost investment, resource revenue, cancelled projects, money fleeing.

Want me to add it up for you grass.

Lost resource revenue - TMX and Energy east. canola. easy $50B
Lost opportunity cost not closing the heavy differential with export capacity easy $50B
NGL plant cancellations - $200B
Investment leaving the country $250B
Extra debt added since election $125B

Thanks for the laugh Jazz. So you get called out and you make up a bunch of numbers that don't even add up to the claim you were called out for. And if you are going to make up numbers at least make up numbers that are not so easily fact checked. For example, your 125 B extra debt you claimed Trudeau added. Statscan publishes the federal debt numbers monthly, and there are lots of debt clocks that mirror that information on line so not hard to check debt added. Debt oct 2015 613.269 B Debt currently 694.476. The extra debt added is not the 125 B you claim but 81.207B. Math must be hard for you.

Lets do one more for fun. YOu claim investment leaving the country is 250B. 2017 was the worst year for net FDI since 2010 and it came in at a negative 4 billion. But then you probably did not want anyone to look at inflows of foreign investment into Canada. For if they did they would see that last year FDI into Canada rebounded above the 10 year average. And Jazz, how much of that outflows you claim were due to low world oil prices and to Trumps opposition of NAFTA, neither which Trudeau controls.

You claim to be a smart guy. Prove it by providing facts to back your claims rather than made up guesses and BS

[chuckChuck]

Harper was in power from 2006 - 2015. He sure caused foreign investment to drop after he came to power! LOL

Facts don't matter to the hyper partisans like Jazz. Trump has shown that it is okay to make up lies based on "alternate facts". Jazz is just following his example.