Gun Ban

[blackpowder]

Funny all the new names commenting.
I'd rather use a pseudonym on this topic myself.
We do not need a "black" rifle to hunt. Nor do I need my hand held equivalent of a hot 45-70.
But your talking about across the board property confiscation? Or generational dissolution through Prohibition?
Get it straight.
Regions of the world a Bible is illegal. Not sure what you need that for either.

[DaneG]

Just because a person doesn’t have an opinion on each and every thread doesn’t mean they are new to the site!

[chuckChuck]

Rural Saskatchewan roads are full of road signs shot up by "law abiding" gun owners apparently. I doubt that urban gangs or hardened criminals are wasting bullets on rural road signs.

The assumption that only repeat hardened criminals use guns to commit crimes is wrong.

Domestic violence and the threat of domestic violence are sometimes perpetrated by mostly "law abiding" gun owners.

One farmer who challenged a group of hunters who were trespassing was threatened with a gun by "law abiding" gun owners.

Another gentleman when cut off at the local watering hole because he already had too much, returned with a gun and threatened the bartender.

A couple of examples of the threat posed by guns, but incidents like these are not common but they do happen in rural areas.

I am gun owner. I still do some hunting and pest control. I am not advocating that rural residents lose their right to own legitimate guns.

But any suggestions that we need hand guns, or that banning some types of guns goes against my needs as a farmer hunter doesn't make sense to me.

If you believe gun crime is a problem then you should be willing to accept that public safety is more important than the right to own hand guns or other more dangerous guns and accessories.

Poverty and inequality of opportunity are the root causes of most crime. Most people who chose crime come from broken homes, poverty and lack of other opportunities. If you want to solve the issue of crime you need to address these bigger issues. It won't eliminate all crime but it will make a big difference.

[sawfly1]

Pretty hard to argue with success.
Years ago the Aussies bought the
Semi autos back.
Guess what no mass shootings
Since.
They have bad folks nut jobs too.
The last one had to go to new
Zealand to acquire the weapon to kill 50.

These types do not worry about stiffer penalties.
Most plan on dieing anyway.
The US has the most people in prison on the planet.
And a high gun homicide rate .

Just look at what works .
Pretty simple.really

Our most notorious killer 24 dead
LAPINE , polytechnic got his weapon
From his army reserve job.
The Norway guy that killed an
Island of children.
Military too . Access to weapons.

No sense those weapons being on the streets .
We kill enough here with shotguns and rifles.

If there are no limits on
Weaponry on the streets .
Then give em tanks or rocket
Launchers.
Then they can really do some
Damage

[wade]

Hmm. Let's legalize pot (Or all drugs like the green party proposes) and ban guns.

[Dr Tone]

You can't have any, center fire magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds, in a rifle, shotgun. Period, unless your in a gang or criminal organization because the firearms you have are obtained illegally!

Yes. I was just replying to bravehearts mention of semi-autos only have 5 shot clips as my Sako 30-06 bolt also has a 5 shot clip.

[blackpowder]

I'm fine with most of what Saw and Chuck say. Common sense.
I'm just not convinced we have a gun "problem" to the scale worried about.
Show numbers to the contrary compared to other premature deaths, violent and otherwise, minus organized crime.
Cheap politics that will get unnecessarily expensive.
Fear mongering has become the backbone of public policy.
All I hear in the outside world anymore is talk of impending doom. I call bull crap and choose not to live in fear.

Prohib the damn things, don't get comfortable with govt confiscation.
Someday your turn.

[samhill]

Rural Saskatchewan roads are full of road signs shot up by "law abiding" gun owners apparently. I doubt that urban gangs or hardened criminals are wasting bullets on rural road signs.

The assumption that only repeat hardened criminals use guns to commit crimes is wrong.

Domestic violence and the threat of domestic violence are sometimes perpetrated by mostly "law abiding" gun owners.

One farmer who challenged a group of hunters who were trespassing was threatened with a gun by "law abiding" gun owners.

Another gentleman when cut off at the local watering hole because he already had too much, returned with a gun and threatened the bartender.

A couple of examples of the threat posed by guns, but incidents like these are not common but they do happen in rural areas.

I am gun owner. I still do some hunting and pest control. I am not advocating that rural residents lose their right to own legitimate guns.

But any suggestions that we need hand guns, or that banning some types of guns goes against my needs as a farmer hunter doesn't make sense to me.

If you believe gun crime is a problem then you should be willing to accept that public safety is more important than the right to own hand guns or other more dangerous guns and accessories.

Poverty and inequality of opportunity are the root causes of most crime. Most people who chose crime come from broken homes, poverty and lack of other opportunities. If you want to solve the issue of crime you need to address these bigger issues. It won't eliminate all crime but it will make a big difference.

These instances are so few, and not identified, they are not a credible argument against the value of firearm ownership by thousands.
Show up with real numbers and statistics or let it lie.

[pgluca]

As far as hand guns go, no we don't NEED them and banning them would perhaps reduce the number that criminals have some what. But if you need to conceal a weapon a large one can be reduced quite nicely with a hack saw...………...

[blackpowder]

If the tobacco farmers can be bought out so can I. My claim alone will be $40,000+.

[furrowtickler]

So that gives you the right to own an assult weapon???Have you or anyone you know actually needed an assult weapon that an ordinary hunting gun would not have worked.?

Nope , never needed one , don’t ever do , but the drug gangs will still get them regardless of the ban or not along with whatever guns they want
That’s the point all are missing here

[Braveheart]

Nope , never needed one , don’t ever do , but the drug gangs will still get them regardless of the ban or not along with whatever guns they want
That’s the point all are missing here

There's a lot more missing than that. The shooting sports extend a lot further than hunting. IPSC, IDPA, and PPC, are all pistol competitions that mimic in varying degrees tactical, combat or self defence scenarios. 3 gun is a widely shot competition in every part of Canada that uses rifle (usually AR15 or variants), shotgun and handgun, that runs competitors through different scenarios. Cowboy action is a 3 gun event using rifles, shotgun and revolvers all based on the firearms of the last half of the 1800's (westerns). Of course trap and skeet.

I' shoot a few of these when I can, IDPA, 3 gun and Cowboy Action, and the diversity of participants would shock most. Many women, "new" Canadians (especially FIlipinos in 3 gun) a lot of seniors in Cowboy, kids including boys and girls.

The point is when people who are truly ignorant of shooting sports and gun capabilities and "classifications) make assumptions, misconceptions can run amuck. To say no one needs a handgun, or no one needs an AR, is akin to telling hockey players, " no one needs a stick" or a ball player, "no one needs a bat". BTW both stick and bat could viewed as viable weapons if guns aren't available. Anything is truly a weapon in the hands of the wrong mindset.

Also, I'm reminded of the Navy Seal motto re civilian defence, "I don't need a gun with me. If it comes up and I need one, I'll just take yours".

To change the channel on gun violence in Canada the underlying reason of why people join gangs needs addressing. This can be the Socialists' answer of throwing money at the problem or the other approach of creating an economic environment that grows jobs and wealth creation the market way. Quit disenfranchising people whatever way because gun bans won't work.

[TSIPP]

Probably less than two hundred shooting deaths a year in Canada that are homicide.


And well over twenty thousand medical malpractice deaths in Canada every year.


And guns are a problem?

[Braveheart]

Probably less than two hundred shooting deaths a year in Canada that are homicide.


And well over twenty thousand medical malpractice deaths in Canada every year.


And guns are a problem?

This policy announcement was a weak attempt to change the dialogue from Trudeau’s privilege supremacy gaff, insincere apologies and lies this week.

[Braveheart]

I hope the people of colour (can’t call them visible minorities anymore) get that what Trudeau did had nothing to do with white supremacy, it was class supremacy.