Blending grain

[farmaholic]

Got some Harvest Sample Program results back.
Wheat harvested before all that rain has a falling number greater than 360 seconds. Will someone blend my sprouted wheat if the falling number is reasonable with the good stuff I have? Or is it the same when they said they CAN'T/WON'T blend high and low protein malt barley.

I can't wait to see what the falling number is on my " weathered" wheat.
It may not look pretty but it still might make good bread!

[bucket]

Got some Harvest Sample Program results back.
Wheat harvested before all that rain has a falling number greater than 360 seconds. Will someone blend my sprouted wheat if the falling number is reasonable with the good stuff I have? Or is it the same when they said they CAN'T/WON'T blend high and low protein malt barley.

I can't wait to see what the falling number is on my " weathered" wheat.
It may not look pretty but it still might make good bread!

Feed wheat will eventually make bread....and might be worth more than some other years better grain...

Why there isn't a falling number machine at every terminal is odd considering they be able to find better wheat that may not be pretty....that is the international standard, isn't it?????

[fjlip]

Our wheat stood a month last year in showers and snow flurries, was still a #2. If COLD better than wet and warm, ooops sound like Greta!

[farmaholic]

Remember what is done for whose benefit !!!!!

Buy visually sell on specs! Imagine the possibilities!

[bucket]

Remember what is done for whose benefit !!!!!

Buy visually sell on specs! Imagine the possibilities!

Right ,,,,until they get caught...P&H had to stop durum deliveries and start doing falling number tests before you could deliver....put it back on the primary producer for inconvenience....

[farmaholic]

Isn't there an enzyme that can be added in the bread making process to make poor quality wheat flour perform satisfactorily?

[bucket]

Isn't there an enzyme that can be added in the bread making process to make poor quality wheat flour perform satisfactorily?

Yup but isn't that a derivative of the process????Still a product of the grain???/

[furrowtickler]

Remember what is done for whose benefit !!!!!

Buy visually sell on specs! Imagine the possibilities!

Yup the game played for over 40 years.
It’s funny , last year visuals did nit really matter it was all falling number . This year it’s all visual ffs lol . The one elevator here last year would not buy a kernel after the snow hit without a falling number done . This year you don’t hear a peep.
General rule of thumb , the higher the sprout count the lower the falling number.
It was too cold last year to sprout much after the wet weather. It was -5 or less almost every night after the weather went side ways , prevented a lot of sprouting. Not the case this year.

[HITTGrapevine]

Remember what is done for whose benefit !!!!!

Buy visually sell on specs! Imagine the possibilities!

If every farmer in the West refused to pay the seed tax and instead put the same amount of money aside for the construction of farmer-owned pool elevators, we could regain a lot of our marketing power within a decade or two. Who needs more profits, seed cos and grain cos, or farmers?

[farmaholic]

If every farmer in the West refused to pay the seed tax and instead put the same amount of money aside for the construction of farmer-owned pool elevators, we could regain a lot of our marketing power within a decade or two. Who needs more profits, seed cos and grain cos, or farmers?

Farmer owned inland terminals were built.....alot with major GrainCo "affiliation". How many are left?
What about port shipping? Who owns those facilities? Rhetorical question.
So we need to re-invent the wheel for the third time. Farmer owned facilities 3.0

[Blaithin]

Got some Harvest Sample Program results back.
Wheat harvested before all that rain has a falling number greater than 360 seconds. Will someone blend my sprouted wheat if the falling number is reasonable with the good stuff I have? Or is it the same when they said they CAN'T/WON'T blend high and low protein malt barley.

I can't wait to see what the falling number is on my " weathered" wheat.
It may not look pretty but it still might make good bread!

What are you considering a reasonable falling number in sprouted wheat?

FN is hard to blend. It’s not like protein or moisture where you can average between them and get a good blend. It’s more likely sprouted wheat will just bring down a good falling number if blended. It’s a very erratic, unpredictable and not usually helpful process. It’s part of the reason terminals are anal retentive when they know it’s a low FN, they could potentially lose a large bin of good wheat by just adding some sprouted in. Kind of like sticking some heated canola in, do it badly and you can lose a lot of good 1can to heated.

[farmaholic]

Blaithin, this is kinda new territory for me, I can't remember when we've had thus much harvest problems causing sprouting.

I thought 300 was the minimum wanted, maybe someone knows for sure.

Maybe that's a question for someone with no biased skin in the game?

I have been trying to make lemonaide from the lemons though by looking on the bright side and thinking it's not fusarium laden feed wheat, that alone should open afew doors.

[Blaithin]

The posters with examples of bread on them show 250 as an ideal FN. When the numbers get high up around 400 the loaves start to look really dense. But around here they always seem to want over 300 as well, sometimes you hear 280 as the magic number.

Really.... if your wheat is a 2 or 3 because of the subjective factors but has no sprouts it should still have a similar FN as when it was a 1. It’s my understanding it’s the sprouts that indicate and impact the alpha amylase issue, not frost or mildew.

Not saying it will be beneficial to anyone this year but if they do start buying wheat based more on FN then that could decrease the impact frost and mildew have on price spread. Depends how bad they are though I guess. A hard bran frost as a poor 3 is still going to be a pain for the millers but if it’s got a good FN.... 🤷*♀️

Knowing Murphy’s law, the year they really start buying on FN will be the year everyone has sprouts.

[bucket]

Farmer owned inland terminals were built.....alot with major GrainCo "affiliation". How many are left?
What about port shipping? Who owns those facilities? Rhetorical question.
So we need to re-invent the wheel for the third time. Farmer owned facilities 3.0

Yup and we get what we have in at the CGC and our checkoff money and the fairy tale money that is an ROI on that investment and start over....

150 million would buy 5 terminals ,,,use the churchill line since that was government funded...

Its looking like we may have to start over...

[Ache4Acres]

Link to a demo of a falling number test being performed. There must be an easier way - this seems quite labor intensive and a bit less than scientific

https://bakerpedia.com/processes/falling-number-test/ https://bakerpedia.com/processes/falling-number-test/