Netherlands

[macdon02]

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1179005334192623616?s=20

Didn't take long for the govt to bite the hand that feeds them. Laying the blame for climate change on the farmers. Massive traffic jam as they protest.

[furrowtickler]

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1179005334192623616?s=20

Didn't take long for the govt to bite the hand that feeds them. Laying the blame for climate change on the farmers. Massive traffic jam as they protest.

What the socialists dream country not working out ??? That can’t be

[TASFarms]

Gotta love the U.N. and their agenda

[macdon02]

Seems the crisis has morphed from CO2 to nitrogen

The Dutch top court, the Council of State, ruled in May that Dutch rules for granting building and farming permits breached EU law on protecting nature from nitrogen oxide emissions such as ammonia and nitrous oxide, prompting a halt in thousands of projects including new roads, housing blocks and airports.

Nitrogen oxides play a significant role in air pollution and biodiversity and nitrous oxide has a stronger greenhouse gas effect than CO2.

Last week an advisory committee said drastic measures were needed, both in farming and on Dutch roads.

Liberal MP Tjeerd de Groot called for livestock production to be halved, meaning six million fewer pigs and 50 million fewer chickens, prompting a furious reaction from farmers.
The farmers complain that they have been ignored by Dutch media while the climate change protesters have a louder voice

He blamed intensive livestock farming for much of the Netherlands' nitrogen emissions problem and argued that the key to the future was modern, sustainable agriculture.



https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-49891449?__twitter_impression=true

[tweety]

Imagine that, not just whining on some meaningless ag forum. Actually doing something about it.

[grassfarmer]

Seems the crisis has morphed from CO2 to nitrogen

Different crisis - nitrogen pollution and the regulation around "nitrogen vulnerable zones" has been an issue for a long time in Europe with restrictions on how much farmers can apply depending on location.

[Oliver88]

Imagine that, not just whining on some meaningless ag forum. Actually doing something about it.

It’s interesting that you seem to constantly watch this “meaningless Ag forum” just so you can criticize everyone and also let everyone know how brilliant you are.

[rumrocks]

Eventually the weather wobblers will find fault with all hundred plus elements, so to be extra safe Ms. Mckenna will just ban molecules.

[furrowtickler]

Different crisis - nitrogen pollution and the regulation around "nitrogen vulnerable zones" has been an issue for a long time in Europe with restrictions on how much farmers can apply depending on location.

So then what’s the next crisis after that ?? Do you get it yet???

[furrowtickler]

Imagine that, not just whining on some meaningless ag forum. Actually doing something about it.

How’s harvest going there ? All number1 dry in the bin ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Grassfarmers buddy, Darrin Qualman wrote and article about this very recently:
https://www.darrinqualman.com/nitrogen-crisis/ https://www.darrinqualman.com/nitrogen-crisis/

I do like to read most of what he puts out, However, this one started off on the wrong foot right in the first sentence:

If there was no climate crisis we’d all be talking about the nitrogen crisis.

At least he does offer some solutions, among them is this:

Funding agronomic research into low-input, organic, and agro-ecological production systems

Realistically, does it really make sense to import feed grain for intensive livestock operations in a country without enough land to even spread the resulting manure responsibly, instead of value adding to our grain by feeding livestock when we have unlimited space to spread the manure, and a dire need for it in many cases.

[furrowtickler]

Some of you don’t realize that even the super awesome Gabe Brown way of farming is in complete jeopardy right ??? The wave of environmental whack jobs hate animal farming period . They want strictly plant based foods .
That makes Gabes whole system worthless without the animal equation to make it all work .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Some of you don’t realize that even the super awesome Gabe Brown way of farming is in complete jeopardy right ??? The wave of environmental whack jobs hate animal farming period . They want strictly plant based foods .
That makes Gabes whole system worthless without the animal equation to make it all work .

Yes, the closest method we have to sustainable farming is mixed farming with enough livestock to consume what is grown. These movements have nothing to do with sustainability, or the environment.

[grassfarmer]

....Realistically, does it really make sense to import feed grain for intensive livestock operations in a country without enough land to even spread the resulting manure responsibly, instead of value adding to our grain by feeding livestock when we have unlimited space to spread the manure, and a dire need for it in many cases.

In an ideal world no, but in the world we operate in it's not so clear cut. It's really only a pig expansion we are talking about in the case of the Netherlands as their other livestock numbers are stable or in decline. The option you offer of expanding pig numbers here to add value to the grain isn't what is happening - sure pig numbers are expanding around here but it's all raised on US corn and the end product, like the Dutch one, is all for export. Whose pork products are closest/cheapest/least emission producing distance from final consumers? In theory we are retaining the fertilizer value on the prairies but due to the volumes and concentrations produced with CFOs it can present risks to water sources too - so maybe we aren't that much smarter than the Dutch given that we don't live in a coastal region.