Honestly out of control lefties

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That stunt didn't workout so well for the actor in Chicago that tied a rope around his neck and hired a couple of his buds to rough him up.

[chuckChuck]

Iraq and syria where part of the ottoman empire before WWI. The ottomans lost the war as a member of the axis alliance and England and France decided to split the empire up into a bunch of countries with arbitrary borders. Since the borders didn’t reflect the ethnic groups within the countries, strong arm dictators were required to keep things under some kind of control. Removal of those dictators or weakening of others has allowed those ethnic groups to vie for power. The wars are about power and control not starvation.

Climate change is just one factor when it comes to conflicts. There are numerous others. But the US military is saying it is a factor and cites a 10 year drought in Syria. Why would they even mention drought and climate change if it wasn't a factor in conflicts and security issues? These aren't just low level leaders, these are the former Secretary of Defense and the Airforce Chief of Staff. Do you think these guys make things up? Why would they say it if it wasn't true?

Maybe you missed this part of my post.
"Speaking before the Senate Armed Forces Committee on Thursday, Gen. David L. Goldfein, Air Force chief of staff, cited the conflict in Syria as an example of how climate change’s impact is already destabilizing some nations. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) asked about recent comments made by Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr.

“Most don’t remember what caused the Syria conflict to start,” Goldfein said. “It started because of a 10-year drought.”

“I think what . . . Chairman Dunford was talking about was that we have to respond militarily very often to the effects of, globally, of climate change.”

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Climate change is just one factor when it comes to conflicts. There are numerous others. But the US military is saying it is a factor and cites a 10 year drought in Syria. Why would they even mention drought and climate change if it wasn't a factor in conflicts and security issues? These aren't just low level leaders, these are the former Secretary of Defense and the Airforce Chief of Staff. Do you think these guys make things up? Why would they say it if it wasn't true?

Maybe you missed this part of my post.
"Speaking before the Senate Armed Forces Committee on Thursday, Gen. David L. Goldfein, Air Force chief of staff, cited the conflict in Syria as an example of how climate change’s impact is already destabilizing some nations. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) asked about recent comments made by Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr.

“Most don’t remember what caused the Syria conflict to start,” Goldfein said. “It started because of a 10-year drought.”

“I think what . . . Chairman Dunford was talking about was that we have to respond militarily very often to the effects of, globally, of climate change.”

So, how unprecedented is a 10 year drought in Syria? We have recorded, and proxy records going back 1000's of years in that part of the world.

Do you think the proposed pipeline across Syria has anything to do with it? Hint, it has been effectively stalled as long as the civil war rages on.

[chuckChuck]

So, how unprecedented is a 10 year drought in Syria? We have recorded, and proxy records going back 1000's of years in that part of the world.

Do you think the proposed pipeline across Syria has anything to do with it? Hint, it has been effectively stalled as long as the civil war rages on.

As I said there can be many factors. But the top US military leaders have said climate change and drought were one of them and maybe the initial most important factor.

Are they wrong? Do you think they are making this up? Make your case.

I think most reasonable people would pay attention when world class organizations like the US military identify climate change as a threat, but I don't think you will ever be convinced by anyone or anything. So be it!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Be thankful you live in Canada and not Syria! As bad as the Canadian weather and politicians can be it is 1000 times worse in Syria.

[jazz]

Be thankful you live in Canada and not Syria! As bad as the Canadian weather and politicians can be it is 1000 times worse in Syria.

The weather is 1000 times worse in Syria? I think you have that backwards.

Take a look at an earth vegetation map and you will see bands of desserts across the entire globes that line up with the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn lines. Mother nature has been creating these regions long before humans were ever a factor

[chuckChuck]

A 1000 times worse was a reference to the politicians more than the weather.

10 years of severe drought is far worse than a rainy, snowy, shitty harvest, desert or not.

If the weather improves here a lot of crop will come off in October November. Some of it is not worth taking off, but when there is a severe drought nothing much grows period.

I doubt Syrian farmers have crop insurance or agristability as flawed as they are.

As bad as farming can be here, most farmers are doing okay relatively speaking. Many, much better than okay.
It is still very stressful and hard on farm families. But this weekend be thankfull for what you have.
If you are pissed off and stressed you are not alone.

[A990]

As I said there can be many factors. But the top US military leaders have said climate change and drought were one of them and maybe the initial most important factor.

Are they wrong? Do you think they are making this up? Make your case.

I think most reasonable people would pay attention when world class organizations like the US military identify climate change as a threat, but I don't think you will ever be convinced by anyone or anything. So be it!

..cut and paste but represents my thoughts...didnt read your second article was behind a paywall:

ver since I started reading climate change material, I have become convinced it is political and financial propaganda.

I will clarify by saying that I don’t mean that the climate is not changing, but that the causes and actual changes are being used as political tools and are seemingly exaggerated.

Lets take a look at the Bloomberg article linked to this question (Pentagon Warns of Dire Risk to Bases, Troops From Climate Change).

The first thing that jumps out to me, as an amateur propaganda watcher, is that they don’t attach the actual Pentagon report, which is pretty sloppy for a professional news service who wrote a whole article on it. Or, more likely, they wanted to make it less available to readers.

A one minute Google search later - here ya go: https://media.defense.gov/2019/J...

Now, the article is entitled “Pentagon Warns of Dire Risk to Bases, Troops From Climate Change”.

“Dire Risk”…

So the Bloomberg article brings one solid example of climate change:

“U.S. military facilities are already encountering some of the effects, the Pentagon says, noting that Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia has experienced 14 inches of sea-level rise since 1930. ”

“Dire Risk”…

Upon briefly reviewing the article, it seems to be a common sense document saying that bases who are near water need to be designed for flood risk, and those in drought areas need to be designed for fire risk.

No warning of dire threats…

ANGLES

The Pentagon is asking for money.

The Democrats are using the report to bash Trump.

The reality?

14 inch sea level rise in one location since 1930.

Nothing about reducing emissions or urgent measures…

[sumdumguy]

Chuck, I agree but we can’t fix the whole world. There appear to be systemic hatrid amongst the people ( religions included). You know, even here, there are people who spend all their time fighting and letting negative forces eat at them, causing stress for all around them. Much as we hate to watch their pain, it is systemic and no one can get through to them. Change what we can and run from the rest - know the difference.

[sumdumguy]

Sorry - double post

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If arrogance is the problem, then there is a very simple way to make someone humble in a hurry: Prove them wrong, especially in public such as this, and particularly on an issue which they make very black and white statements about.

So go through some of the old post where Chuck and I have been discussing various issues, find some assertions I have made, or questions I have asked of Chuck which remain unanswered, find the facts that prove Chuck right, and me wrong, and I guarantee I will be much more humble in the future whenever I attempt to correct what I see as a fallacy.

A good place to start is just a few days ago when Chuck made the assertion that the fossil fuel industry is in decline, and I asked for some evidence of that. My request remains unanswered, so perhaps you could help Chuck out and answer for him.

It would be a much more productive use of both of our's time.

Or not...