Suncor CEO slams climate change deniers, politicians who cater to them

[pgluca]

Want to know where Suncor is coming from. They are building 400MW 96 turbine wind farm a few miles from me. It was arranged with the NDP government of the time at very lucrative terms. Talking to one of their security people he said each turbine was costing 10 million. This doesn't exactly agree with the numbers I have seen in print but you get the idea. They will make money where ever they can and of course they are going to milk this cow if they can. Saying the science was bad would be shooting their latest investments in the foot...…….

[jazz]

400mb is near the upper level of the troposphere and does not represent temperature at the surface which is around the 1000 mb (SEA LEVEL). mb stands for pressure in millibars. 300mb is at 9000 meters. Jet stream level. So you would be dead at that level without enough oxygen.

So climate change is just reserved for a few hundred feet at the surface. A localized effect from a global phenomenon. Not likely

Use some logic chuck. CO2 and other pollutants are trapped in the troposphere. The point where energy enters the system from the sun and encounters the captured heat from CO2 should be the point where warming is most evident, not the surface.

And testing at the troposphere level will negate the modelling error that NASA is encountering with low level cloud cover.

Think man, don't just drink koolaid.

[jazz]

Want to know where Suncor is coming from. They are building 400MW 96 turbine wind farm a few miles from me. It was arranged with the NDP government of the time at very lucrative terms. Talking to one of their security people he said each turbine was costing 10 million. This doesn't exactly agree with the numbers I have seen in print but you get the idea. They will make money where ever they can and of course they are going to milk this cow if they can. Saying the science was bad would be shooting their latest investments in the foot...…….

This was exactly what happened in Europe, the socialist green cult became so strong that people and companies just gave into it. Farmers stopped trying to make a profit on family farms and just gave land up for windmills and bio reactors and took the subsidy.

[chuckChuck]

So climate change is just reserved for a few hundred feet at the surface. A localized effect from a global phenomenon. Not likely

Use some logic chuck. CO2 and other pollutants are trapped in the troposphere. The point where energy enters the system from the sun and encounters the captured heat from CO2 should be the point where warming is most evident, not the surface.

And testing at the troposphere level will negate the modelling error that NASA is encountering with low level cloud cover.

Think man, don't just drink koolaid.

Where is the link and reference so we can see what this means. How do we know its not fabricated from a denier site? If you are not able to provide a link or a reference it is garbage.

And you and I have no way to know what it means when you are comparing temperatures at seal level or at 400mb in the troposphere. Let alone to know if this is significant when it comes to climate change.

You credit NOAA but NOAA is certain that humans are causing climate change. So explain the obvious contradiction.

First provide the link or reference so we can put it into context.

[chuckChuck]

Want to know where Suncor is coming from. They are building 400MW 96 turbine wind farm a few miles from me. It was arranged with the NDP government of the time at very lucrative terms. Talking to one of their security people he said each turbine was costing 10 million. This doesn't exactly agree with the numbers I have seen in print but you get the idea. They will make money where ever they can and of course they are going to milk this cow if they can. Saying the science was bad would be shooting their latest investments in the foot...…….

Suncor has total assets of $77 billion. They are investing about 1 billion in wind energy according to your figures. So do you really think they would want to agree with the climate science that proves human caused climate change that puts their $77 billion dollars worth of oil and gas assets at risk just to protect their $1billion of wind assets? Where is the logic from a management point of view?

The simpler explanation is they want to diversify into other forms of energy to plan for the low carbon emission future which is what many investors are doing.

[chuckChuck]

Jazz Quote
"Use some logic chuck. CO2 and other pollutants are trapped in the troposphere. The point where energy enters the system from the sun and encounters the captured heat from CO2 should be the point where warming is most evident, not the surface."

Oh is that for sure or are you just guessing? LOL You have a meterology degree or degree in climate science? LOL

CO2 level have never been this high (over 400) since human life evolved. How many irrelevant eras do you want to go back through and then claim that we are a historical low ?

The chart is very clear in showing it rising exponentially in the last 150 years way above levels seen in 800,000 years and way above any interglacial period in 800,000 years. Its pretty clear it is alarming and unprecedented.

[A990]

Steven Williams of Suncor
"Climate change is science. Hardcore science. What we have been talking about here is economics. Science and economics. Both very important subjects, not perfectly understood. Periods of discovery go on forever and we keep getting better and better at those things."

..the sad state of the cbc....if you don't read the headline and the journalisming its a rorschach ink blot test and..

[A990]

i wish there was a way to find out if Steven williams thinks his views were accurately represented

[FarmJunkie]

Jazz don’t waste your time with Chucky. He controls the sun so he is the all powerful and mighty. These climate morons are so pissed at NASA that they haven’t figured out how to control the sun and now it’s blowing their climate change fiasco all to shit. Chuck why don’t u ask yourself Why u don’t take holidays in the Arctic? Why do u cook your food? Do u take cold showers or warm ones? Do u keep your house at freezing temps? Why is warm so bad when most people gravitate in that direction. Quit the cut and paste and use your god damn brain. Oh ya and if u are a real farmer do u appreciate it when it freezes your crops or do u prefer it warm so they produce something that u can eat?

[Horse]

This was exactly what happened in Europe, the socialist green cult became so strong that people and companies just gave into it. Farmers stopped trying to make a profit on family farms and just gave land up for windmills and bio reactors and took the subsidy.

And then they all starved to death,end of story.

[fjlip]

Jazz don’t waste your time with Chucky. He controls the sun so he is the all powerful and mighty. These climate morons are so pissed at NASA that they haven’t figured out how to control the sun and now it’s blowing their climate change fiasco all to shit. Chuck why don’t u ask yourself Why u don’t take holidays in the Arctic? Why do u cook your food? Do u take cold showers or warm ones? Do u keep your house at freezing temps? Why is warm so bad when most people gravitate in that direction. Quit the cut and paste and use your god damn brain. Oh ya and if u are a real farmer do u appreciate it when it freezes your crops or do u prefer it warm so they produce something that u can eat?

Totally AGREE! Slap all the Climate Cultists with those scenarios, and NOT a F CKING one will say they want it COLDER! Screw COLD, COLD =DEATH! Go to hell with your TOO HOT BULLSHIT you totally MORON!

[macdon02]

Jazz Quote
"Use some logic chuck. CO2 and other pollutants are trapped in the troposphere. The point where energy enters the system from the sun and encounters the captured heat from CO2 should be the point where warming is most evident, not the surface."

Oh is that for sure or are you just guessing? LOL You have a meterology degree or degree in climate science? LOL

CO2 level have never been this high (over 400) since human life evolved. How many irrelevant eras do you want to go back through and then claim that we are a historical low ?

The chart is very clear in showing it rising exponentially in the last 150 years way above levels seen in 800,000 years and way above any interglacial period in 800,000 years. Its pretty clear it is alarming and unprecedented.

You do realize that planet intake of C02 is not linear?

[blackpowder]

Well, I for one get tired of Chuck's journalism talents.
Reading the CEOs quotes.
He says climate changes and waste is bad. Fossil fuels could be gone in 1-200 years. Attacks of common sense wrong.
An economic issue at the same time.

Agree. Where does he suggest what we're actually doing.
Perhaps we need a Major in English to even participate on here. I don't have one.
This is getting like a religious discussion.
Christ, can I just get the fn crop off??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blackpowder]

I mean, for fs sake I come on here to catch up on how guys are doing and what they're doing. Like minded, same interest folk.
It's become a never ending depressive headache.
No one I know wants or makes sense of half of the made up issues I hear.
Safety??????? Climate, guns, .... gender, whatever???
Jeezus, more people need to talk to
Holocaust or Holomodor survivors to understand safety.
The bloody world is ending??????
We live in the only gdamn region of the world that has never had to fear a group of teenagers in uniform.
Quit buying favor with fear.
Your a disgrace to your ancestors.
Give everything you have back to the First Nations and leave the rest of us alone.

In case your eyes are as bloodshot as mine and this is unclear, please just f off.

[chuckChuck]

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

There are plenty of other threads to discuss the weather and how bad harvest is. I have been farming long enough to experience all kinds of bad weather. and crazy harvests.

But when posters post charts with no links and no references out of context and make arguments which they can't back up with evidence, then I am not going to back down.

I make every effort to post links and references from credible sources.

A lot of the responses we get on Agriville, are just rhetorical bluster. Make your case and provide evidence to back it up.

If you can't do that, just talk about the weather.