What could Andrew scheer have done different?

[Crestliner]

When you realize that people in Toronto and Quebec regards people in the West as uneducated savages that need to be told how things are supposed to work, you will realize why the West will always be 2nd class and needs to separate.

I lost track of how many times MSM referred to Conservatives as the party for uneducated people.

THIS IS A VERY TRUE STATEMENT!! Don’t worry about the west hating the east as being a bad thing....the truth is THE EAST HAS HATED THE WEST FOREVER!!

I have relatives in the east who came to visit each summer and called us peasants in the 1960’s and when we started making some money in the 70’s they got pissed at our progress and quit coming out!

And we let this ideology govern our country! Wow we really are dumb!

[fjlip]

[QUOTE=Crestliner;428615]THIS IS A VERY TRUE STATEMENT!! Don’t worry about the west hating the east as being a bad thing....the truth is THE EAST HAS HATED THE WEST FOREVER!!

I have relatives in the east who came to visit each summer and called us peasants in the 1960’s and when we started making some money in the 70’s they got pissed at our progress and quit coming out!

And we let this ideology govern our country! Wow we really are dumb![/

Agree, eastern cousins, city relates, were happier when farmer were crap, when we had more they were jealous!

[chuckChuck]

The ignorance and disdain of eastern Canadians towards western Canada is often matched or exceeded by the disdain and ignorance of western Canadians towards eastern Canada.

This often comes from people who hold their self interests above what is good for the whole country and their community.

Politicians love to play this game because it delivers power.

Case in point. Scott Moe did not mention equalization during the election campaign because he knew that Andrew Scheer cannot win votes in Quebec if Conservatives from the west demand large reforms to equalization. But after the election suddenly it is a big issue and Trudeau is too blame. Pure politics.

Scott Moe grew up in a province that was the beneficiary of equalization payments for many years. I guess that wasn't a problem then.

Harper had chance to change equalization but chose only to tinker with it. Yes there is room to change it. But the principle behind equalization are sound..

Yes Alberta needs help but it needs to help itself as well. Norway had a plan for when the boom goes bust. Alaska has a plan as well. The secret is not to spend all your one time resource revenues and let oil companies take excess profits when times are good and then ask to be bailed out when oil and gas prices drop.

It takes leaders with an attitude of fiscal restraint and the guts to standup to the oil industry. Alberta had had neither since Peter Loughheed.

[bucket]

Scheer could have played a different clip of Trudeau's arrogance everyday...

1. Trudeau came from a privileged upbringing so he didnt realize he couldn't grab any women's ass that he felt like.

2. The Indian dance...

3. The globe and mail article was false then played the ethics commissioners findings...

4. Paper box thingy ...over and over...

5. His two jets across the country and where the money went that he said he paid for offsets....

6. Scheer could have admitted he was actively trying to demonize Bernier....and honestly why would Scheer hire A liberal to do it....he had to have known Kinsella would have played that chip eventually...FFS

[Integrity_Farmer]

RESIGN
Your question Forum What could Andrew scheer have done different? RESIGN HE IS NOT A CANADIAN Sheers only real job is an MP.

[bucket]

RESIGN
Your question Forum What could Andrew scheer have done different? RESIGN HE IS NOT A CANADIAN Sheers only real job is an MP.

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[jazz]

I assume chuck is referred to the heritage fund. Good news its up to over $600B now. Quebec and the maritimes are just holding it for us. That was sure nice of them. Maybe we could tap into it now.

[chuckChuck]

I assume chuck is referred to the heritage fund. Good news its up to over $600B now. Quebec and the maritimes are just holding it for us. That was sure nice of them. Maybe we could tap into it now.

You must be confused.

Give up the mythology that Alberta was prevented from putting lots of resource revenues into the heritage fund because of the equalization program.

Equalization is paid out of federal taxes that are applied equally across Canada. Alberta pays more federal taxes because their incomes are higher than average along with their per capita GDP.

The heritage fund is up to Alberta alone. Or Alaska alone. Or Norway. Alberta chose to keep royalties low rather than collect sufficient royalties to build a sizable heritage fund.

It has nothing to do with the Federal Government management of provincial resources revenues.

[jazz]

Equalization is paid out of federal taxes that are applied equally across Canada. Alberta pays more federal taxes because their incomes are higher than average along with their per capita GDP.

F that BS. That's a cop out. Ab pays higher fed tax because we are developing our resources which are unshielded from the formula like hydro revenues. F even MB got a payment under that formula because hydro. So its a disincentive welfare payment to the east to not try to improve their economy.

Stop with your obtuse rewriting of the plain facts.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-equalization-payments-provinces-kenney-1.5281736

Bringing clarity to the sometimes murky world of equalization payments

Federal government transfers funds to provinces so every Canadian receives comparable services
CBC News · Posted: Sep 12, 2019 7:08 PM ET | Last Updated: September 12

There is confusion around Canada's equalization payment program. But it is designed so that every Canadian, no matter where he or she lives, would receive comparable services at comparable rates of taxation. (Graeme Roy/The Canadian Press)

It seems like every time a federal election rolls around, there are complaints about equalization payments. Sometimes, it doesn't even take a federal election. Some premiers try to use it as leverage in their fights with Ottawa.

But there is confusion about what equalization payments actually are, who pays them, and why.
A brief history

Canada's equalization program has existed since 1957. It was brought in as a way for the federal government to transfer funds to provinces so that every Canadian, no matter where he or she lived, would receive comparable services at comparable rates of taxation.

So a Canadian living in a smaller province with a weaker economy would have access to the same public services as one living in a fiscally stronger province, without their tax rates having to go through the roof.

Equalization was enshrined in the Constitution in 1982.

There is a separate program for the territories.
Who actually pays?

Not the provinces. Not provincial governments. According to the Library of Parliament, "Equalization is financed entirely from government of Canada general revenues" raised through federal taxes on all Canadians.

In plainer terms: equalization is funded by the federal government from its general revenue, raised through federal taxes, paid for by all Canadians.

Here is how economist Trevor Tombe, of the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy, describes it in an article he wrote in 2018:

Equalization is a federal program that transfers federal funds to provinces with below-average capacities to raise revenues. Provinces with stronger economies, and with high income households and businesses, raise more revenue for any given tax rate than provinces with lower incomes.
What is the 'equalization formula'?

As Tombe alludes to, a province's fiscal capacity is determined by how much revenue a province could generate if all provinces had identical tax rates — not how much it does raise.

"This captures a province's "ability" to raise revenue, and is almost entirely due to a province's underlying economic strength," Tombe explained in an email to CBC News. "Provinces with strong economies (like Alberta, B.C. and Ontario) can more easily raise revenues than provinces with weaker economies (like [the] Maritimes or Quebec)."

According to Tombe, almost all provincial revenue sources are included in the calculation.

But again, no provincial government is paying equalization to another province.
Have some provinces always received payments?

Every province has received a payment under equalization since the program started in 1957, says Tombe. "Alberta last received a payment in 1964. Ontario never received any payment until the financial crisis… [and] it received payments from 2009 to 2018."

Tombe notes that the 1957-1966 version of equalization bears little resemblance to what we consider equalization today. So, in that sense, Alberta has never received a payment in the history of equalization as we know it today.
Who receives equalization today?

For 2019-2020, the following provinces will receive equalization:

Prince Edward Island
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Quebec
Manitoba

These provinces will not:

Newfoundland and Labrador
Ontario
Saskatchewan
Alberta
British Columbia