Real issues in Ag and the PM and Party are worried about Global warming. **** it

[SASKFARMER]

I agree with Bucket.

No plan other than shit head would lose, and Andrew would be in charge.

Well, Andrews team ran a shitty campaign.

Yes, the first slam at Trudeau the media went after Andrew and it made people feel sorry for Blackface.

So did they back off the hit the ****er in the nuts with all his issues.

I think they did.

BUt reality people in Toronto had to be hit with oil creates wealth, and that's what's needed to pay the bills not borrowing more debt. Ontario is Bankrupt, yet they are still going to jamaica every year.

[bucket]

What is this about Bucket?

I think they are trying to get Trudeau to relax the carbon tax on grain drying as it relates to farming....

That's about all the Saskatchewan government will do....

Can't forget the province agreed to give irrigation districts 40 bucks an acre for the next 5 years....I seen new 36 inch diameter blue pipe on a semi yesterday...so I guess it's all good for irrigation. ..

[beaverdam]

If wexit has a chance ....waiting isn't an option...

The election results are already old news....conservatives are talking they believe in Canada....but they have no choice...no conservative MP will make their salary in a split....

Follow the money...Kenney and Moe should have been using the language during the election that they used in the days following....and they should have put Scheer on notice as well....

They were counting on a conservative government with no plan B C or D......stupid....

I think if the Premiers would have made these statements during the election, PM Blackface would have used them to his advantage, and suddenly the Liberals would have been the "unity party" and would likely have won a majority.

I'm starting to believe that the lack of interest in farming concerns and prairie economy isn't that families have moved out of agriculture into the cities for multiple generations now,,, but more so in those concentrated areas(large cities with lots of MP's) have most of the new immigrants, blocks of new immigrants, that have absolutely no connection to the prairies, no connection to 1st world agriculture, no connection to Canada, other than Canada being a host for them.

[jazz]

The conservatives see something there. Pop vote high, seat gain, bloc splitting vote in Que. It looks a little like a Harper style minority to majority might be shaping up. Maybe they are counting on the govt falling in 2 yrs and flipping some seats in the 905. Maybe they will make skippys life hell for a few yrs. But there is very tepid support for seperation from our leaders right now.

[shtferbrains]

Maybe SF3 is actually Conrad Black?

He says much the same thing.

Conrad Black: Trudeau's hollow victory leaves the real issues facing this country unresolved

It would have been difficult to produce a more miserable election result. Congratulations to the prime minister on his re-election, certainly. He was spiritedly attacked, and he persevered to victory despite some serious recent reversals. No part of my disappointment in the late election is based on lack of a cordial regard for Justin Trudeau.

But his victory is hollow, his mandate ambiguous, and his performance on election night was far from reassuring. He won on momentum, a fading illusion of fashion, faddish platitudes and style, and no first-term accomplishments at all. He benefited from a divided opposition that had no panache among the traditional parties. Trudeau’s Liberals received 240,000 fewer votes than the official opposition, ran barely ahead of the separatists in Quebec, and what the prime minister professes to believe is the principal issue in this country is a fiction, which if it did exist, Canada could not influence — climate change. On election night, the NDP leader, Jagmeet Singh, spoke at inexcusable length, and Trudeau butted into Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer’s remarks with unprecedented rudeness as soon as he started. We had all three at the same time on our screens.

Scheer correctly made the point that only one elected majority government in Canadian history was evicted in the following election (that was R.B. Bennett in 1935, after failing to alleviate the Great Depression). Scheer’s point was that he had practically no chance of doing better than he did. This may be correct, but if he had been as forceful an opposition leader as John Diefenbaker or Brian Mulroney, he would have won. Trudeau has proved a better opposition leader than prime minister; Scheer clearly intends to hang on to the Conservative leadership though his performance was unexciting, and hopes to be a better prime minister than opposition leader, quite possible if he can get there. But for now, we have an unaccomplished prime minister dependent on a socialist party that has been substantially rejected (the NDP), facing a worthy but ungalvanizing Conservative leader. Trudeau has a slender mandate, proclaims that the great cause of the day is the nonsense of climate change, and two regions of the county, Quebec and Alberta-Saskatchewan, with some reason, are hearing the secessionist murmurs.

Climate change, to use a phrase of Napoleon’s, has entered the realm of “lies agreed upon.” There may be changes in climate, and if there are, they may be part of a normal cycle or not. If they really are happening abnormally, we are not certain of the cause(s), direction or extent of them, nor is there any certainty that human action has meaningful bearing on them. All the dire and hysterical predictions that unleashed this worldwide alarm about the climate have been proved inaccurate. Debates between authentic meteorological specialists swiftly descend into incomprehensible arguments about the depth and shape of ocean thermometers and so forth.

Anyone who claims certainty on this subject is a charlatan. Historians of the future will wonder how Western Europe and Canada became so preoccupied with this issue. Of course everyone wants a clean environment, but not at an exorbitant cost in unemployment and reduction of human comfort. The international left, defeated in the Cold War and domestically by such leaders as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, seized upon the environment as a fruitful vantage point from which to continue their assault on capitalism while masquerading as conscientious earth people.

Canada has less than two per cent of the world’s carbon footprint, the ecologists’ universal bugbear, the Emmanuel Goldstein of Orwell’s 1984, always good for “five minutes of hate.” But Canada has one of the world’s cleanest environments and no real influence whatever on the world environment. It’s like the corporate governance movement 20 years ago, that for a time distracted the entire commercial community from the objective performance of corporations. It’s a fad that is being ignored by China and India, the chief polluters, and by the United States and Japan, great industrial powers that have addressed their environmental problems adequately, and Australia, which is the most similar country to Canada in size, resources and history, and which has maintained a rational concern for the environment but has rejected fetishistic economic primitivism. It is distressing that Canadians are so naïve as to buy into this idiocy.

In fact, Canada’s greatest problems are capital flows and national unity. There is a torrid drain of investment capital in Canada, as the world stays away and Canadians invest capital elsewhere. Under-appreciation of Canadian federalism will not take long to emerge in Quebec and Alberta. By far the strongest performance by a party leader on election night was from the Bloc Québécois’ Yves-François Blanchet. He had the same stature, mannerisms, haircut, glasses and witty but crisp and direct way of formulating the complexities of Quebec’s status as premier Daniel Johnson (1966-1968), whose slogan was “equality or independence.” Blanchet came from nowhere and almost won more votes than the Trudeau Liberals. (Only twice before has the Bloc won more Quebec votes than the Liberals.) Blanchet expressed his reverence for René Lévesque, Quebec’s first separatist premier (1976-1985), but he is not advocating Lévesque’s “sovereignty-association;” he is advocating sovereignty.

Canada will pay a heavy price for the refusal of Stephen Harper and Justin Trudeau to do anything to gain Quebec’s adherence to the Canadian Constitution, a condition Mulroney tried to correct with the Meech Lake agreement and the Charlottetown Accord, and which the federalist former Quebec government of Philippe Couillard tried to address. Harper abandoned constitutional reform when he was unable to abolish the Senate; he and Justin just ducked a difficult issue, but leaders aren’t elected to deal only with easy problems. On Monday night Blanchet left viewers in no doubt that Quebec sought sovereignty, preferably but not necessarily on friendly terms with Canada. He made conciliatory references to the native people and purported to speak for French-Canadians outside Quebec, and demanded Canadian support for Spain’s Catalonian separatists (an outrageous request — it’s no business of Canada’s, including Quebec). Blanchet did not refer to Anglo-Quebec and was unambiguous in his opposition to federalism.

As the Montreal (and Terrebonne) economic analyst DeWolf Shaw has forcefully pointed out, economically Quebec has completely outperformed Canada in the past decade; six straight budget surpluses, substantial debt reduction, and a brilliant Hydro-Quebec worth $500 billion (compared with the shambling, quasi-bankrupt Ontario Hydro). The Quebec Caisse de Dépôts et de Placements has net assets of $326 billion for 8.5 million Quebecers, and the Canada Pension Plan has assets of $404 billion for 29 million non-Quebec Canadians. Quebec unemployment is the lowest in the country and the economic argument in Quebec will favour the separatists in the next Quebec referendum, for the first time. Maurice Duplessis and Daniel Johnson were correct that the only way to achieve autonomy (or independence) for Quebec is to unite the nationalists with the conservatives (and not the socialists as Lévesque and Lucien Bouchard attempted), and that is what Blanchet and Premier François Legault appear to be doing.

The only viable counter argument to Quebec’s independence is the vision of the great bicultural world nation of Canada. I don’t believe the current federal leaders can sell that vision, especially when Alberta has been so mistreated it would be economically justified to contemplate secession also. The Quebec Liberal party, a Liberal-Conservative coalition that is the only unambiguously federalist party in Quebec, which had never received less than 31 per cent of the vote, and only three times in its history less than 35 per cent, came in with 24 per cent in last year’s Quebec election (and less than 10 per cent of Quebec’s francophones).

This is where exalting the unifying Big Lie of anthropogenic climate change and ignoring real issues has got us. Yes, congratulations to the prime minister, but he will find out soon enough that he is sitting on a knife-edge, and we are all there with him.



Kind of a long read but it is Sunday

[bucket]

I think if the Premiers would have made these statements during the election, PM Blackface would have used them to his advantage, and suddenly the Liberals would have been the "unity party" and would likely have won a majority.

I'm starting to believe that the lack of interest in farming concerns and prairie economy isn't that families have moved out of agriculture into the cities for multiple generations now,,, but more so in those concentrated areas(large cities with lots of MP's) have most of the new immigrants, blocks of new immigrants, that have absolutely no connection to the prairies, no connection to 1st world agriculture, no connection to Canada, other than Canada being a host for them.

It's not about Trudeau...it's about people recognizing the value of western Canada to the Canadian economy....Trudeau will never understand. ..

But the provinces out here have to put all federal leaders on notice about their respective provinces contribution to the country...

[Oliver88]

I think they are trying to get Trudeau to relax the carbon tax on grain drying as it relates to farming....

That's about all the Saskatchewan government will do....

Can't forget the province agreed to give irrigation districts 40 bucks an acre for the next 5 years....I seen new 36 inch diameter blue pipe on a semi yesterday...so I guess it's all good for irrigation. ..

Hopefully propane, natural gas and electricity have the carbon tax removed while Trudeau is in power for the next 2 years

When SNC-Lavalin/Admiral Norman, other groping scandals end his career, Scheer will have a chance to scrap it all.

[SASKFARMER]

I do know one thing.

People like Trudeau with hundreds of skeletons in their closet have more than just one. He is a sick individual with no care about anything then himself. In Time if you give a rat enough rope, they will hang themselves.

We wait.

Popcorn anyone.

[SASKFARMER]

Also maybe a minority is good it could expose a lot of the shit that’s going on.

[grassfarmer]

If climate change were such an important thing, you would think Trudeau would be crying and saying we will help farmers with crop out. **** he can't even spell crop.

Maybe if you weren't all fighting off any suggestion that climate change even exists you'd have a better chance of them helping you out? You can't have it both ways.

Carbon tax costs us thousands in unnecessary costs. For a farm, it has taken more off our bottom line than anything else this year.

I guess you haven't had any weather problems on your farm then if that's your biggest cost.

I do know one thing.

People like Trudeau with hundreds of skeletons in their closet have more than just one.

That's a valuable piece of knowledge if it's the only thing you know lol.

[SASKFARMER]

Oh grass you must have crawled out of your snow bank and actually are back to your old ways. Blah blah blah.

Trudeau and eastern canada is the problem period.

[TASFarms]

Climate change must be real. Can’t listen to the radio without hearing about it every half hour. Does the price of grain show you the proof of climate change yet. I hope they quit talking about carbon. If you believe in carbon tax, it just goes to show that you can be easily scammed