Heads up for those with crop out...

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If you want to see snowed under canola use same picture just switch crops.

Just heard a second hand report that there are producers in the peace region that never even got started harvest. Is it really that bad in places?

[makar]

Just heard a second hand report that there are producers in the peace region that never even got started harvest. Is it really that bad in places?

Cousin only had canola, never got under 14, hear stories of larger farms with less than 100 acres in, late green crop and rains or snows 3 times a week.

[furrowtickler]

Interesting around here - one or two neighbours working away every hour they can taking the crop off a little at a time, making ruts to start with but now its frozen just avoiding the stuff that's under water or under hard snow. Then there are other guys that haven't turned a wheel since the big snow came. I heard a rumour today that MASC is just going to write off crops without a requirement to harvest as there are so many claims and no way they can get them all assessed. If this happens who comes out best - those that tried to harvest the crop or those that didn't?

Nobody comes out best , they all lose . Sucks either way

[grassfarmer]

Nobody comes out best , they all lose . Sucks either way

But they aren't in an equal position are they? If one person incurs the cost of a difficult harvest surely they should come out ahead of the guy that doesn't try? If they make up the person who didn't try as hard to the same financial reward as the guy that did that would be an awfully unfair, socialist system would it not?

[Guest]

grass , the thing about crop ins is that if you use it , you lose it. like any ins if you make a claim it really goes against your premium charge. we don't use it unless its big like in 15 when we got flooded. maybe those guys not trying are just saying to hell with it and going to wait until spring ? some guys around here have had some really good surprises in the spring the last few years
but to answer your question , no you are not rewarded for "trying harder" , same as the nurse or teacher that doesn't phone in sick twice a month and quits receiving sick days when they are "topped out" , and they don't even acknowledged or thank them when they retire with max sick days

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But they aren't in an equal position are they? If one person incurs the cost of a difficult harvest surely they should come out ahead of the guy that doesn't try? If they make up the person who didn't try as hard to the same financial reward as the guy that did that would be an awfully unfair, socialist system would it not?

I am against insurance of all types for that reason. It removes personal responsibility, and socializes the losses, forcing them on everyone, no matter how responsible they have been.

[grassfarmer]

I am against insurance of all types for that reason. It removes personal responsibility, and socializes the losses, forcing them on everyone, no matter how responsible they have been.

That's my thinking too. I just don't see how it's going to work in this situation. If we take 2 farmers with equal acres of wheat for example. Farmer A got 60% their crop off in good shape, 30% in terrible shape after a struggle and 10% is under water. They might not put a claim in to keep their premium down and because their 60% yielded pretty good. That's a tough, expensive year they've had.

Farmer B only took 20% off in good shape, because he's a poorer farmer and always 10 days behind. The other 80% is left out. If crop insurance writes off his remaining crop as un-harvestable and makes him up to his insurance guarantee he's going to be a hell of a lot better off than farmer A is he not? What happens if it's written off as un-harvestable - does it have to be destroyed (ie likely throw a match at it in spring) or can he allow it to be harvested by a rancher short on feed?

That's the situation around here - thousands of acres of potential feed lying out while the cow herd is being liquidated. If there was no crop insurance system the farmer and the rancher could cut a deal that works for both of them. There is lots of wheat around here that could be cut and baled now we've had frost. It'll be frustrating to see that go up in flames in the spring if that's what happens.

[makar]

Farmer B only took 20% off in good shape, because he's a poorer farmer and always 10 days behind. The other 80% is left out. If crop insurance writes off his remaining crop as un-harvestable and makes him up to his insurance guarantee he's going to be a hell of a lot better off than farmer A is he not? What happens if it's written off as un-harvestable - does it have to be destroyed (ie likely throw a match at it in spring) or can he allow it to be harvested by a rancher short on feed? It will never be wrote off in Alberta, the total loss line is 2.9 bushels per acre, and they mean 2.9 in the field not what you sc**** off.

[Guest]

honestly grass , the cow people should of been all over this all summer
when it looked like drought was gonna bugger the crops , they should of been lobbying crop ins .
this happened here in the drought of 02 , salvage did not count against claims after they were lobbied
i mentioned this in july .this is a terrible waste when some people need feed so desperately

[bucket]

Absolutely no vision as to what to do with a crop year that struggled from the beginning...

They sit there and analyze the province risk to it...and really they could give a shit less....

So in their lack of vision they phuck up two industries ...grain and cattle...by looking at dollars instead of the value of the industries to the economy...

Thats when guys start to say" phuck it"