Heads up for those with crop out...

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But they aren't in an equal position are they? If one person incurs the cost of a difficult harvest surely they should come out ahead of the guy that doesn't try? If they make up the person who didn't try as hard to the same financial reward as the guy that did that would be an awfully unfair, socialist system would it not?

I am against insurance of all types for that reason. It removes personal responsibility, and socializes the losses, forcing them on everyone, no matter how responsible they have been.

[grassfarmer]

I am against insurance of all types for that reason. It removes personal responsibility, and socializes the losses, forcing them on everyone, no matter how responsible they have been.

That's my thinking too. I just don't see how it's going to work in this situation. If we take 2 farmers with equal acres of wheat for example. Farmer A got 60% their crop off in good shape, 30% in terrible shape after a struggle and 10% is under water. They might not put a claim in to keep their premium down and because their 60% yielded pretty good. That's a tough, expensive year they've had.

Farmer B only took 20% off in good shape, because he's a poorer farmer and always 10 days behind. The other 80% is left out. If crop insurance writes off his remaining crop as un-harvestable and makes him up to his insurance guarantee he's going to be a hell of a lot better off than farmer A is he not? What happens if it's written off as un-harvestable - does it have to be destroyed (ie likely throw a match at it in spring) or can he allow it to be harvested by a rancher short on feed?

That's the situation around here - thousands of acres of potential feed lying out while the cow herd is being liquidated. If there was no crop insurance system the farmer and the rancher could cut a deal that works for both of them. There is lots of wheat around here that could be cut and baled now we've had frost. It'll be frustrating to see that go up in flames in the spring if that's what happens.

[makar]

Farmer B only took 20% off in good shape, because he's a poorer farmer and always 10 days behind. The other 80% is left out. If crop insurance writes off his remaining crop as un-harvestable and makes him up to his insurance guarantee he's going to be a hell of a lot better off than farmer A is he not? What happens if it's written off as un-harvestable - does it have to be destroyed (ie likely throw a match at it in spring) or can he allow it to be harvested by a rancher short on feed? It will never be wrote off in Alberta, the total loss line is 2.9 bushels per acre, and they mean 2.9 in the field not what you sc**** off.

[Guest]

honestly grass , the cow people should of been all over this all summer
when it looked like drought was gonna bugger the crops , they should of been lobbying crop ins .
this happened here in the drought of 02 , salvage did not count against claims after they were lobbied
i mentioned this in july .this is a terrible waste when some people need feed so desperately

[bucket]

Absolutely no vision as to what to do with a crop year that struggled from the beginning...

They sit there and analyze the province risk to it...and really they could give a shit less....

So in their lack of vision they phuck up two industries ...grain and cattle...by looking at dollars instead of the value of the industries to the economy...

Thats when guys start to say" phuck it"

[grassfarmer]

honestly grass , the cow people should of been all over this all summer
when it looked like drought was gonna bugger the crops , they should of been lobbying crop ins .
this happened here in the drought of 02 , salvage did not count against claims after they were lobbied
i mentioned this in july .this is a terrible waste when some people need feed so desperately

Yes, some truth to that but the situation was ever changing in my area this year. First it looked super dry and no feed around, then many areas got substantial moisture, then the grain crops looked late and immature - the latter two pointed to there being cow feed available later in the season. Then the wet September and 2' of October snow changed things again by stranding some of the corn silage crops. I've never experienced a season with so many twists and turns in terms of cattle feed availability. I'm dealing with buying commodities at the moment and they are still changing from day to day. Products they were expecting to be cheap are now dearer or unavailable because some has not been harvested and some that is higher value feed is getting cheaper as there is more of it around. I'm not complaining - just trying to highlight that it's been a tough year to decide when to intervene even if they'd wanted to (Cattle organizations and Government)

[Guest]

Yes agreed but its a shame if stuff gets burnt in spring that could of fed some beef
Hopefully no shortage of that now that that test tube shit food is losing its appeal