Ag Stability Formula

[sumdumguy]

A cow-calf operation will only get paid out if the herd is decimated due to catastrophic wipe-out because as soon as the calves are born, there’s your crop. But I guess a disease or something could wipe out the herd, but so unlikely.

[farmaholic]

Wasn't it about a year ago they actually improved the payment trigger by removing the "lower of" eligible expenses and keeping just the old "watered down" percentage of the 5 year o-lymp-dick average....you know, the 70% of 70%. The expense trigger portion was dropped. None the less its still a joke.

[farmaholic]

I remember when covering "negative" margins was a big deal.

Where's Richard5 these days, I always enjoyed his "contributions".

[grassfarmer]

Are any farm organizations lobbying for the return to the original ag stability formula?

Like the Seed Tax and most things in Ag policy the NFU was on it years ago and made the correct analysis and recommendation. Here is the relevant excerpt from their 2012 paper on BRMs under Growing Forward 2.

"The federal government is considering changing the AgriStability trigger to a 30% drop below reference margins under GF2. If that is implemented, only those farms subject to extreme volatility would be eligible for support. The new trigger may well function as an administrative tool to carry out a political goal – that of the elimination of AgriStability as a BRM program. Perhaps the idea is to replace AgriStability with some form of price insurance, as was suggested by the Agriculture Committee.
• The National Farmers Union recommends maintaining the 15% margin loss trigger for AgriStability"

[bucket]

Like the Seed Tax and most things in Ag policy the NFU was on it years ago and made the correct analysis and recommendation. Here is the relevant excerpt from their 2012 paper on BRMs under Growing Forward 2.

"The federal government is considering changing the AgriStability trigger to a 30% drop below reference margins under GF2. If that is implemented, only those farms subject to extreme volatility would be eligible for support. The new trigger may well function as an administrative tool to carry out a political goal – that of the elimination of AgriStability as a BRM program. Perhaps the idea is to replace AgriStability with some form of price insurance, as was suggested by the Agriculture Committee.
• The National Farmers Union recommends maintaining the 15% margin loss trigger for AgriStability"

And what should happen now is that the ag committee members at the time should be named and have them explain what their vision was for ag...

I, for one, would really like to know who was on that committee and what their rationale was and see if they can understand their stupidity....because some of those assholes and their advisors are still around...

[Guest]

I remember when covering "negative" margins was a big deal.

Where's Richard5 these days, I always enjoyed his "contributions".

yes he is very knowledgeable on these matters , our agriville resident tax lawyer/advisor , lol

[Guest]

And what should happen now is that the ag committee members at the time should be named and have them explain what their vision was for ag...

I, for one, would really like to know who was on that committee and what their rationale was and see if they can understand their stupidity....because some of those assholes and their advisors are still around...

as always, you are telling it like it is !
i think as sf3 would say , "follow the money" is the only explanation when stupid decisions are made by people that know better. a little brown bag of cash comes to mind

[bucket]

as always, you are telling it like it is !
i think as sf3 would say , "follow the money" is the only explanation when stupid decisions are made by people that know better. a little brown bag of cash comes to mind

Sadly they don't know better....

Blake Richards...Randy Hoback....Bob Zimmer....Merv Tweed...

Does it make sense now??????

I can name some others in the background of Ritz that have moved on to better opportunities to phuck things up....but its not nice to pick on retards...and their simplistic organizations that dance around like Trudeau to their sponsors....you guys get it ...right...

They will quickly have a quorum and someone will come on here and tell bucket to get involved....had that happen yesterday....but the guy wouldn't resign his position to make room for me....funny how that works....

[grassfarmer]

And what should happen now is that the ag committee members at the time should be named and have them explain what their vision was for ag...

I, for one, would really like to know who was on that committee and what their rationale was and see if they can understand their stupidity....because some of those assholes and their advisors are still around...

Well here you go bucket, check out the list:

http://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/AGRI/Members?includeAssociates=True&parl=41&session=1 http://https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/AGRI/Members?includeAssociates=True&parl=41&session=1

For those that can't be bothered the Standing committee on Agriculture that the NFU were referring to back in 2012 (linked above) consisted of 6 NDP MPs, 4 Liberals and 124 Conservatives!
The standing committee on Agriculture under the Trudeau Government before the election was 11 NDP, 15 Liberal and 94 Conservative MPs.

So much for the theory that all problems agricultural stem from the Liberals. These lists contain all your western Canadian Conservative MPs in rural ridings. You'd better all get busy writing to your Con. MPs and setting them straight!

[Marusko]

They will quickly have a quorum and someone will come on here and tell bucket to get involved....

I'll tell you to get involved!

I was told this morning that lobbying government is not some farm group's mandate....seriously...I kid you not....

You ever been to the farm org meetings? I've only been to the AGMs at Farmtech, not enough time to attend other meetings/events so I can't say I understand how it all works - but at the AGM the average joes are given a chance to stand up at the mic and express their concerns and make resolutions. Go to their next one and make a resolution to add government lobbying to their mandate. Whether they follow through or not is a different story but better than endless discussion on agriville.

[Richard5]

yes he is very knowledgeable on these matters , our agriville resident tax lawyer/advisor , lol

Lol, resident tax lawyer, not even close. It would be like shooting with old bullets and a bent barrel.

Like everyone else, I have been busy getting finished harvest, fall field work, drying grain. I do not have time or interest to run to Red Deer shows or even consider a Florida home, and then of all things complain about how bad farming is. If one have been in the "flood zone" for the last 45 -85 years, outside looking in, things are not so bad.

Of course in a year like this, talking about any farm program will get you blasted so hard that you feel like crawling in a hole and avoiding this site.

As I have always said, for anyone that received funds from the farm programs going back to 1998, what were you supposed to get? If prepared by someone on your behalf, do you even know the amount? In the 3 years I received a payment from the all the different program versions, I always knew the amount I was supposed to get. Was it to the exact penny every time? Not always but in 2 of the 3 years the calculation the program admin calculated was a lot less than the amount I received once corrected.

Is the program perfect, by no means no. What so many of you don't realize, your numbers are so much different than the next guy. If someone received a payment, the next one may not. The next thing is many do not understand gross margin and the numbers involved. Third, you might have great gross margin but it your Labor/power/Machinery costs exceed $130 and your land/building/finance exceed $50 you probably struggle to make money. If you struggle to make money, in this example it has nothing to do with gross margin but more you might have iron disease (mainly why I hate going to trade shows) and have way too much debt/high rent land for the production we can generate.

I am very well versed in these terms as its laid out to me annually through the products my accountant provides me. My financial statements detail these figures in these terms and I know what areas I need to focus on or what areas I am very strong in. It is shocking when I hear some of the comparisons from RM to RM and that 2 people can farm side by side and consistently gross $100 different per acre in production alone beside being $50 to high in power and machinery. Do any of you know what your AgriStability margin is for 2019 on a per acre basis? And if you do, how does that compare to others in your local area.

I will be bold and say there will be a large number of AgriStability payments in 2019. For those that opted out, sorry, maybe it will be just fine as your house didn't burn down either. There are unfortunate scenario's of mixed farms where is doesn't work well and may make sense to go it alone.

Always remember that if you earn it on your own (mixed farm, good marketing of grain) you are always better off. The program, like any other insurance, only pays a % of the loss.

For those that stayed and won't know what there supposed to get, that's a huge problem and maybe time to look elsewhere.

[Richard5]

I'll tell you to get involved!



You ever been to the farm org meetings? I've only been to the AGMs at Farmtech, not enough time to attend other meetings/events so I can't say I understand how it all works - but at the AGM the average joes are given a chance to stand up at the mic and express their concerns and make resolutions. Go to their next one and make a resolution to add government lobbying to their mandate. Whether they follow through or not is a different story but better than endless discussion on agriville.

The problem with this is that no average farmer is going to come prepared enough to put an illustration together that is worth discussing. It just ends up being a bitch session that the program don't work because I have not received anything from it for the last 5 years and they have no idea why or if there calculations were right in the first place

[wardtoma]

Are any farm organizations lobbying for the return to the original ag stability formula?

yes, they are. farm groups across Canada are nearly united in their request to have the margins moved back to 85%. In some form or another they are participating in the AgGrowth Coalition that has formed to move this forward at the federal level.

Ward Toma
GM, Alberta Canola

[Radical]

I’ve said this before if you have Meyers Norris penny don’t expect to much except a nice big bill. They work for the government.

[westernvicki]

Do yourself a favour, call the president of every farm association you pay levy to and ask what is on their list of demands.
Provincial and National.

You may be amazed at how little lobbying you are buying for your contribution.

My opinion are just in time issues, are beyond agronomy at this time.

Restoring the old formula would restore credibility to the ag. stability program.