Feed wheat / falling number ???

[Guest]

Hope you have dessicated tested too and share the comparison results. I think we need more testing like this done.

Sure will , the 130 ac has a FN of 290 which is the best we have

[walterm]

Sure will , the 130 ac has a FN of 290 which is the best we have

Thanks I'm sure when desiccated you didn't know FN was going to be an issue but makes for good trial. We need to do these kinds of trials foe all varieties so farmers have better idea when selecting as to what may happen if they chose a certain variety and or choose to desiccate or even swath or leave standing.

[bucket]

Thanks I'm sure when desiccated you didn't know FN was going to be an issue but makes for good trial. We need to do these kinds of trials foe all varieties so farmers have better idea when selecting as to what may happen if they chose a certain variety and or choose to desiccate or even swath or leave standing.

Won't the seed tax help cover off all the pertinent info you need to buy new seed....lmao....thats a sarcastic remark...

[walterm]

Won't the seed tax help cover off all the pertinent info you need to buy new seed....lmao....thats a sarcastic remark...

Maybe some of the check off $ could be spent on R&D on these kinds of issues, that might be more beneficial in growing and marketing farmers produce at the local elevators. Might not benefit grain companies marketing overseas as much tho.

[beaverdam]

Does the FNo. change with the dryness of the sample?
Is a No. measured at 17.0% moisture different, after the bin is dried to 14.5% moisture?

[bucket]

Does the FNo. change with the dryness of the sample?
Is a No. measured at 17.0% moisture different, after the bin is dried to 14.5% moisture?

I like that question...thats a good one...and very relevant....because I can't answer it.....

Here is what i Know ....the dry grain from last year tested 359 with 13 moisture 14.5 px ...the damp stuff at 18 moisture this year tested 338 with 11px...had been rained and snowed on....

I know I had little sprouting in the wheat this year...

To your question ....if you have the samples ...get it tested...tell us the results...I am curious...

[walterm]

Does the FNo. change with the dryness of the sample?
Is a No. measured at 17.0% moisture different, after the bin is dried to 14.5% moisture?

Good question should be lots of elevator or CGC or 3rd party inspectors that lurk here that could answer. I've never questioned that before.

[makar]

If you are like here and protein is tenish isn't fn meaningless because feed is worth more, don't matter to me if it's 2 or 3 by fn with the protein discounts.

[farmaholic]

Falling number was probably ruined when any wheat was cured and dry standing or in the swath and it got wet long enough to start the germination/sprouting process...... what stage your wheat was at when the crap weather hit will determine the extent of damage, if any.

Green immature wheat can withstand alot of adversity.

I doubt the moisture content of the thrashed grain affects the falling number results, the damage occurred before it was harvested and the test requires grinding and taking measured amounts of the flour MIXED with a measured amount of water to produce a slurry for the test anyway.

I think the problem lies with what value is "acceptable". No, falling number is not a CGC grading factor, but subjectively "hand picking" a 50 or 100 gram sample is!!! "SUBJECTIVELY HAND PICKING". I think I would rather rely on the "hopefully repeatable accuracy" of a methodical test than the subjectivity of an "untrained eye".

I don't have any borderline grain here, it's either "fine" or "well below anything "ACCEPTIBLE" for milling quality.

Quality parameters need to be established for the falling number test, enter the CGC and CIGI. Why those parameters don't already exist and are part of grade determinants guide is beyond me.

FFS... Let's move away from subjective grading toward objective grading where ever we can! Technology exists for it!

[seldomseen]

Warm and wet and mature grain is what causes the problems. When its 15-20 degrees and foggy or a light mist and humid is all it takes. Get below 5 degrees and the quality won’t change much. If the grain is not mature it won’t deteriorate like mature grain.