A note to Western Canada: The rest of the country understands tough economic times

[dmlfarmer]

Stop playing with words. You know as well as anyone that production is useless without market access.

I am not playing with words. AB5 wrote and I quote: "Yet government policies are purposefully, possibly even spitefully, blocking any attempts to produce it here."

I am simply asking him what specific policies he is talking about. I will ask you the same question. Name the actual government POLICIES that are preventing production of oil and gas in western Canada. And given your statement I will add on what government policies are preventing market access? Should be a simply question for you to answer.

[dmlfarmer]

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ummm, why has texas been in a massive boom

Could it be that the cost of production is less in Texas
Could it be that that WTI crude requires less refining thus lower refining costs
Could it be that the Texas oilfields are next door to the largest refinery capacity in NA and thousands of miles of pipe are not needed to transport crude to the refinery
Could it be that Texas is next to the sea and both crude and refined products can be loaded into tankers for delivery anywhere in the world.
Could it be that the margins oil producers are making are much larger than those earned in Canada reflecting the higher costs of production, transport, and refining, therefore there is more more for reinvestment in Texas than Alberta
Could it be that The US market is at minimum 10 times larger than the Canadian market based on population alone therefore there is a demand difference favoring Texas
Could it be as simple as supply and demand in a capitalistic industry and commodity

Naw, you are probably right, none of these reasons make sense, it is all Trudeau.

[helmsdale]

****, I love agriville!!!!!

****, I love the commodity marketing forum!!!!!

[flea beetle]

Could it be that the cost of production is less in Texas
Could it be that that WTI crude requires less refining thus lower refining costs
Could it be that the Texas oilfields are next door to the largest refinery capacity in NA and thousands of miles of pipe are not needed to transport crude to the refinery
Could it be that Texas is next to the sea and both crude and refined products can be loaded into tankers for delivery anywhere in the world.
Could it be that the margins oil producers are making are much larger than those earned in Canada reflecting the higher costs of production, transport, and refining, therefore there is more more for reinvestment in Texas than Alberta
Could it be that The US market is at minimum 10 times larger than the Canadian market based on population alone therefore there is a demand difference favoring Texas
Could it be as simple as supply and demand in a capitalistic industry and commodity

Naw, you are probably right, none of these reasons make sense, it is all Trudeau.

Last I checked, Canada was next to a big body of water as well? Just a regulatory/environmentalist shite storm to wade through to get there.

[dmlfarmer]

Last I checked, Canada was next to a big body of water as well? Just a regulatory/environmentalist shite storm to wade through to get there.

not to mention that Fort McMurray is double the distance and 3 more mountain ranges from the nearest tidewater than midland tx is. Plus the fact that tx already has the refineries and the tanker loading infrastructure for loading the largest tankers in the world and we have neither on our west coast.

[flea beetle]

not to mention that Fort McMurray is double the distance and 3 more mountain ranges from the nearest tidewater than midland tx is. Plus the fact that tx already has the refineries and the tanker loading infrastructure for loading the largest tankers in the world and we have neither on our west coast.

And yet the businesses that produce the oil and gas are still willing to build the pipeline to get it to the coast, but get shut down by regulatory and special interest groups. And then, I bet if there was a steady supply of oil and gas at the west coast, a refinery would follow. Imagine that...foresight! Would be nice if the leaders in our country would grab some. Scary to think that they can not see this. Imagine the jobs this would produce? Imagine the value this would add to the oil and gas products?

[flea beetle]

And yet the businesses that produce the oil and gas are still willing to build the pipeline to get it to the coast, but get shut down by regulatory and special interest groups. And then, I bet if there was a steady supply of oil and gas at the west coast, a refinery would follow. Imagine that...foresight! Would be nice if the leaders in our country would grab some. Scary to think that they can not see this. Imagine the jobs this would produce? Imagine the value this would add to the oil and gas products?

But that would be all for not since there is this oil tanker ban that the idiot federal government (Trudeau) put on the west coast. But you are right the liberals haven’t done anything to stop oil and gas products from flowing from western Canada.

[jazz]

Now I have to take a minute off from my Saturday to destroy dml again. yawn its getting so old.

For your information, the costs to move American ag products down the Mississippi are 1/10th of what Canadian rail over the rockies are.

Did you shut down your farm?
Did you relocate to iowa?

With market access the price of the heavy differential will close by $10 which will easily offset whatever advantages that texas has. That's whats the fing patch was trying to do when enviro radicals and whacked Marxists stopped them.

[flea beetle]

Yes hard times come to all, that is not what the west is angry over. It is being kicked while we are down that is pissing everybody off. Not one of your example conveys the same likeness as what is happening now. In your examples, it is just an industry dealing with a slowdown. They never had do deal with the slowdown, plus an onslaught from the government to make life harder at the same time as well.

Not only are crop prices falling and debt skyrocketing on the prairies, but we have to fend off a government that wants every spare dollar that may be left. And also live in an environment that the government makes harder and harder to do business in. And also in an environment where the government ruins our markets.

-Carbon tax
-Seed tax
-Shelving of pipeline projects
-Bill 6
-The oil tanker ban off of BC Coastline
-Trudeau making a fool of himself in India effectively ruining the pulse industry
-Detaining the Huawei executive effectively ruining the canola industry

Just to name a few. Granted not all, but most, are federal doings. Bill 6 was imposed by a premier that was in Trudeau's pocket in my opinion. So might as well have come from federal anyway.

Funny the leftists are leaving this alone? Must make too much sense?

[grassfarmer]

ummm, why has texas been in a massive boom

A broader analysis of US oil and gas production indicates they are suffering from the same market forces as Western Canada. Not a rosy picture painted here

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Giant-Slashes-Jobs-Amid-Shale-Slowdown.html http://https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Giant-Slashes-Jobs-Amid-Shale-Slowdown.html

[dmlfarmer]

Now I have to take a minute off from my Saturday to destroy dml again. yawn its getting so old.

For your information, the costs to move American ag products down the Mississippi are 1/10th of what Canadian rail over the rockies are.

Did you shut down your farm?
Did you relocate to iowa?

With market access the price of the heavy differential will close by $10 which will easily offset whatever advantages that texas has. That's whats the fing patch was trying to do when enviro radicals and whacked Marxists stopped them.

I see you must be drinking again. I mean I have no idea what moving ag products down the Mississippi has to do with my question to you about what government policies stopping production of oil and gas in western Canada or if I shut down my farm or moved to Iowa. Do try to keep up Jazz, and if you do want to reply, try to reply to the actual question I asked of you. I will repeat it: "Name the actual government POLICIES that are preventing production of oil and gas in western Canada. And given your statement I will add on what government policies are preventing market access?"

[Guest]

Could it be that the cost of production is less in Texas
Could it be that that WTI crude requires less refining thus lower refining costs
Could it be that the Texas oilfields are next door to the largest refinery capacity in NA and thousands of miles of pipe are not needed to transport crude to the refinery
Could it be that Texas is next to the sea and both crude and refined products can be loaded into tankers for delivery anywhere in the world.
Could it be that the margins oil producers are making are much larger than those earned in Canada reflecting the higher costs of production, transport, and refining, therefore there is more more for reinvestment in Texas than Alberta
Could it be that The US market is at minimum 10 times larger than the Canadian market based on population alone therefore there is a demand difference favoring Texas
Could it be as simple as supply and demand in a capitalistic industry and commodity

Naw, you are probably right, none of these reasons make sense, it is all Trudeau.

But, but, but
We had a thriving oilpatch here?
Keebek and east coast is getting blood stained oil from middle east where they still stone “their” women and practice female circumcision ?
But thats ok , right , because fort mac is dirty
Nothing too do with govt attitude in canada , no cant be?
Wait , maybe buisness likes trumps attitude to real life better;
You know , you hafta work if you can or you dont eat
Even if those ungrateful ****suckers in keebek and on the east coast bought our oil it would help
Oh wait we have a “no pipeline bill” from this govt, so we cant get it there