Chuck, some good news about renewables. No, really.

[Hamloc]

AB5 very well said. I remember a few years into Rachel Notley's mandate I did research into going off grid on my farm. I believe the recommendation was to have enough battery storage for a minimum of 4 days in the winter. The additional kicker was you required a bigger solar array to supply power during the limited daylight hours plus charge the large battery bank to survive the longer periods without sunlight. The total cost was over $200000 without including installation costs and an insulated small building to house the batteries. Obviously not feasible when my yearly power bill is just under $4000. Now Chucky will come along and say that battery technology has advanced and is less expensive. And he will supply articles claiming how cheap solar power with battery storage is. I say it is all bulls#^t and is all theoretical computer modelling and AB5's real world example is more realistic! Then remember who will benefit most from solar installations? China! Oh yeah that country that won't buy our canola. What a bunch of f+#knuts! Enjoy your evening.

[mustardman]

Hamloc Why do you want to go Off grid ?

Put up your solar and USE the grid as the Battery

[Hamloc]

Hamloc Why do you want to go Off grid ?

Put up your solar and USE the grid as the Battery

Actually Mustardman the original reason I wanted to go off the grid was as a way of controlling future electrical costs. I was of the opinion that with the NDP in power that costs would probably go up.

As for solar generation with battery storage this is now what environmentalists are promoting as the only solution for any new electrical generation, there is no way this will work in the dead of winter in Canada!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Actually Mustardman the original reason I wanted to go off the grid was as a way of controlling future electrical costs. I was of the opinion that with the NDP in power that costs would probably go up.

As for solar generation with battery storage this is now what environmentalists are promoting as the only solution for any new electrical generation, there is no way this will work in the dead of winter in Canada!

You have more qualifiers than necessary in your last statement. As Texas, and South Australia, and England, and Germany, actually, everywhere that has tried it, even using reliables for back up, and in the middle of summer, it is failing, causing blackouts, and vastly more expensive energy. Texas electricity costs went up 40% this year, while natural gas prices went down.

Now imagine the predicament someone like Mallee is in. Keep paying the extortionate electricity rates to pay for these misguided policy blunders, or face a large capital cost such as you were just quoted, which in the long run only makes the problem worse and, the grid more unstable, and more expensive for everyone else.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do you know what they charge for the chemical pump? Doesn’t take a lot of solar power to pump milli liters an hour. It would be different if they were talking about the lift pump for oil. Local electrical firm priced out solar set up for the pump jacks doing 2 to 4 well pads. Not feasible any time soon.

I don't know, but if you are interested, I could put you in contact with someone who would know, send me a PM.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Back to the study. Of course it is so flawed that even Chuck can see that, so not worth further discussion in itself.

But, why would the green industry possibly want to release such negative propaganda? They typically have very tight control over the message and willing patsy's within the media, and social media such as our very own Patsy on Agriville to control the agenda. Yet these type of messages keep being repeated, telling us how many more jobs the green energy industry creates and will create. And all of them are as grossly exaggerated and flawed as this one is. And they inevitably compare the jobs to the exceedingly efficient fossil fuel industry, whose energy production per man hour is unparalleled in history by orders of magnitude, and continues to improve by the day in this low price environment.

Which begs the question, are the proponents all so economically illiterate that they can't comprehend that grossly higher labour input per unit of production, equates with massively inefficient production, and therefore higher costs.

So why do they repeat this message? Or are all of the followers equally financially incompetent that they also consider this to be an accomplishment?

It just seems odd that they would produce such convincingly excellent media in favour of the fossil fuel industry they claim to despise.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I looked up this old tread to try to answer a question from a recent thread, to see if this was where we had calculated the cost to go full solar using battery back up, but it must have been in a later thread. Does anyone remember where that was at? Agriville's search feature is not very helpful.

[chuckChuck]

A5 you must be getting bored up their in paradise dragging up old threads. No hay to make? No fences to fix? No harvest machinery to get ready? Aren't you too busy planning for separation? As a frequent flyer on Agrisilly, when do have time to get any work done?

Here is some good news coming out of Alberta. I am sure Amazon, Greengate have made a big mistake. It's up to you to set them right and explain why they should invest in 19th century technology like coal. Amazon obviously will never succeed and must have the worst business planners ever!

And whats wrong with the executives at Enbridge and Capstone Infrastructure? They must have lost their minds diversifying into renewables, when oil and gas are the only energy for the future.

Construction begins on new Alberta solar farm, Amazon to purchase power

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936

CALGARY - Amazon announced Wednesday it will purchase power from a massive new solar farm in Alberta, marking the e-commerce giant's second renewable energy investment in Canada.

Construction began Wednesday on Travers Solar, a $700-million, 465-MW project southeast of Calgary, which its developers say will be the largest solar photovoltaic project in Canada and one of the largest in the world.

Privately held Greengate Power Corp. of Calgary says the solar farm will consist of 1.3 million solar panels and will provide enough electricity to power more than 100,000 homes by 2022.

Amazon, which has signed a deal to buy up to 400 MW of electricity from the project, previously announced plans to purchase power from an 80-MW solar farm in southern Alberta as part of its commitment to being fully powered by renewables by 2030.

Renewable electricity companies have credited Alberta's unregulated electricity market for a recent boom in solar projects in the province.

Other projects include the 300-MW Blackspring Ridge Wind Project, which is now owned by French firm EDF EN and Enbridge Inc. of Calgary, and the proposed 130-MW Claresholm Solar project, a joint venture between Capstone Infrastructure and Obton, a Danish investment company.

[Hamloc]

A5 you must be getting bored up their in paradise dragging up old threads. No hay to make? No fences to fix? No harvest machinery to get ready? Aren't you too busy planning for separation? As a frequent flyer on Agrisilly, when do have time to get any work done?

Here is some good news coming out of Alberta. I am sure Amazon, Greengate have made a big mistake. It's up to you to set them right and explain why they should invest in 19th century technology like coal. Amazon obviously will never succeed and must have the worst business planners ever!

And whats wrong with the executives at Enbridge and Capstone Infrastructure? They must have lost their minds diversifying into renewables, when oil and gas are the only energy for the future.

Construction begins on new Alberta solar farm, Amazon to purchase power

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936

CALGARY - Amazon announced Wednesday it will purchase power from a massive new solar farm in Alberta, marking the e-commerce giant's second renewable energy investment in Canada.

Construction began Wednesday on Travers Solar, a $700-million, 465-MW project southeast of Calgary, which its developers say will be the largest solar photovoltaic project in Canada and one of the largest in the world.

Privately held Greengate Power Corp. of Calgary says the solar farm will consist of 1.3 million solar panels and will provide enough electricity to power more than 100,000 homes by 2022.

Amazon, which has signed a deal to buy up to 400 MW of electricity from the project, previously announced plans to purchase power from an 80-MW solar farm in southern Alberta as part of its commitment to being fully powered by renewables by 2030.

Renewable electricity companies have credited Alberta's unregulated electricity market for a recent boom in solar projects in the province.

Other projects include the 300-MW Blackspring Ridge Wind Project, which is now owned by French firm EDF EN and Enbridge Inc. of Calgary, and the proposed 130-MW Claresholm Solar project, a joint venture between Capstone Infrastructure and Obton, a Danish investment company.

And Chuck2 as per usual as I finish my breakfast out of 1988 megawatts of generation capacity wind is pumping out an amazing 348 according to the up to the minute AESO supply demand page!

[shtferbrains]

Greengate sell premium priced renewable energy to high margin companies looking to run a greenwashing advertising campaign.
How big of a premium do the pay?
Amazone may be one of the worlds largest CO2 producers.
Of course we don't worry about excess consumerism as an issue in CO2 production. We need all that Chinese shit arriving daily to enrich our daily lives.

[Hamloc]

A5 you must be getting bored up their in paradise dragging up old threads. No hay to make? No fences to fix? No harvest machinery to get ready? Aren't you too busy planning for separation? As a frequent flyer on Agrisilly, when do have time to get any work done?

Here is some good news coming out of Alberta. I am sure Amazon, Greengate have made a big mistake. It's up to you to set them right and explain why they should invest in 19th century technology like coal. Amazon obviously will never succeed and must have the worst business planners ever!

And whats wrong with the executives at Enbridge and Capstone Infrastructure? They must have lost their minds diversifying into renewables, when oil and gas are the only energy for the future.

Construction begins on new Alberta solar farm, Amazon to purchase power

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/construction-begins-on-new-alberta-solar-farm-amazon-to-purchase-power-1.1620936

CALGARY - Amazon announced Wednesday it will purchase power from a massive new solar farm in Alberta, marking the e-commerce giant's second renewable energy investment in Canada.

Construction began Wednesday on Travers Solar, a $700-million, 465-MW project southeast of Calgary, which its developers say will be the largest solar photovoltaic project in Canada and one of the largest in the world.

Privately held Greengate Power Corp. of Calgary says the solar farm will consist of 1.3 million solar panels and will provide enough electricity to power more than 100,000 homes by 2022.

Amazon, which has signed a deal to buy up to 400 MW of electricity from the project, previously announced plans to purchase power from an 80-MW solar farm in southern Alberta as part of its commitment to being fully powered by renewables by 2030.

Renewable electricity companies have credited Alberta's unregulated electricity market for a recent boom in solar projects in the province.

Other projects include the 300-MW Blackspring Ridge Wind Project, which is now owned by French firm EDF EN and Enbridge Inc. of Calgary, and the proposed 130-MW Claresholm Solar project, a joint venture between Capstone Infrastructure and Obton, a Danish investment company.

Travers solar project, 3300 acres of land, just over 7 acres per megawatt. Power 100000 homes? Hmmm Amazon is buying most of the power. How many acres will it take to dispose of the solar panels in 25 years?

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc, So what? We all know that wind and solar are intermittent.

More importantly when they are producing electricity they are displacing fossil sources and reducing carbon emissions.