Just for you Chuck

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Quit being ignorant and pretending that anyone is seriously thinking western Canada wants to be an independent country. The US is busy (re)negotiating trade deals the world over, on their terms, and at the expense of every other nation without that ability. Becoming an equal member of that union is the only viable option to continue to be an exporting entity.

And why does the left also persist on claiming that arbitrary provincial borders are immutable, written in stone and need to be respected forever when separation occurs? You are correct, large parts of BC, Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes are also resource rich, hard working, and disaffected with their current status within confederation. It will collapse like a house of cards as soon as the first region joins the US. Borders will not look at all like they do now.

[chuckChuck]

Quit being ignorant and pretending that anyone is seriously thinking western Canada wants to be an independent country. The US is busy (re)negotiating trade deals the world over, on their terms, and at the expense of every other nation without that ability. Becoming an equal member of that union is the only viable option to continue to be an exporting entity.

And why does the left also persist on claiming that arbitrary provincial borders are immutable, written in stone and need to be respected forever when separation occurs? You are correct, large parts of BC, Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes are also resource rich, hard working, and disaffected with their current status within confederation. It will collapse like a house of cards as soon as the first region joins the US. Borders will not look at all like they do now.

Do you really think you would get a better deal in the USA where there is also a lot of division on major issues? If so you are dreaming in technicolor. There is no appetite for joining the USA except amongst a very small group of right wing extremists who have very distorted views. Any political leader who suggest such a move will be quickly labelled a traitor. It is political suicide. But go ahead and discredit your views with this nonsense.

[dmlfarmer]

Quit being ignorant and pretending that anyone is seriously thinking western Canada wants to be an independent country. The US is busy (re)negotiating trade deals the world over, on their terms, and at the expense of every other nation without that ability. Becoming an equal member of that union is the only viable option to continue to be an exporting entity.

And why does the left also persist on claiming that arbitrary provincial borders are immutable, written in stone and need to be respected forever when separation occurs? You are correct, large parts of BC, Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes are also resource rich, hard working, and disaffected with their current status within confederation. It will collapse like a house of cards as soon as the first region joins the US. Borders will not look at all like they do now.

So why the wexit movement instead of a push for becoming the 51st state? Because it is likely less palatable to the general public than setting up own country. How many people are willing to give up universal health coverage. How many are willing to accept US level tuition fees to universities.

As far as your argument about Trump's trade deals, what are you talking about. He did renegotiate NAFTA with minor changes but it still has not been ratified by any of the 3 partners. He backed out of TPP and has zero luck negotiating with China other than getting crushing tariffs that "US consumers and businesses pay for. He has pulled out of European trade deals and so far nothing to replace them. He says he negotiated a trade deal with Japan, but nothing is signed much less ratified and we know how dependable his word is. I grant you he did sign a deal to sell cars to Korea. That is one signed trade deal in 3 years. Not a stellar record.


And why would we really want to join other than to get away from Trudeau? Harper could not get the Keystone pipeline and 3 years of Trump has not got it going. The environmental pressures are the same south of the border. Farm Bankrupcies in the US are at levels approaching 1980 now. US ag sales are down more than Canadian especially in wheat sales. The US is now the biggest producer of fuels in the world and we think they want more now. I know farmers like to produce more to earn less but the oil industry I hope is smarter than that.

Oh this forum continues to complain about government borrowing and our debt levels. Yet Trump has run close to a trillion dollar a year deficiet for the last 3 years. On a per capita basis it makes Trudeau look like a miser.

People think it will give them more power. Really, we are leaving a federation of 10 provinces and 36 million people to become one state in a republic of 51 with 10 times more population, most of them urban. And you think you are going to have more power. Give me a break!

[furrowtickler]

So why the wexit movement instead of a push for becoming the 51st state? Because it is likely less palatable to the general public than setting up own country. How many people are willing to give up universal health coverage. How many are willing to accept US level tuition fees to universities.

As far as your argument about Trump's trade deals, what are you talking about. He did renegotiate NAFTA with minor changes but it still has not been ratified by any of the 3 partners. He backed out of TPP and has zero luck negotiating with China other than getting crushing tariffs that "US consumers and businesses pay for. He has pulled out of European trade deals and so far nothing to replace them. He says he negotiated a trade deal with Japan, but nothing is signed much less ratified and we know how dependable his word is. I grant you he did sign a deal to sell cars to Korea. That is one signed trade deal in 3 years. Not a stellar record.


And why would we really want to join other than to get away from Trudeau? Harper could not get the Keystone pipeline and 3 years of Trump has not got it going. The environmental pressures are the same south of the border. Farm Bankrupcies in the US are at levels approaching 1980 now. US ag sales are down more than Canadian especially in wheat sales. The US is now the biggest producer of fuels in the world and we think they want more now. I know farmers like to produce more to earn less but the oil industry I hope is smarter than that.

Oh this forum continues to complain about government borrowing and our debt levels. Yet Trump has run close to a trillion dollar a year deficiet for the last 3 years. On a per capita basis it makes Trudeau look like a miser.

People think it will give them more power. Really, we are leaving a federation of 10 provinces and 36 million people to become one state in a republic of 51 with 10 times more population, most of them urban. And you think you are going to have more power. Give me a break!

This is a huge problem that helped create weexit ...
This needs to change or we will continue to be dictated to and have no real voice in western Canada

[chuckChuck]

Well said DML.

As I have pointed out Alberta is really well off with a high GDP per capita and high family incomes.

Many integrated oil companies are making tidy profits off low priced bitumen.

The total GDP is almost back to when the oil price fell out at the end of the Harper era. This not an indicator of an industry shut down.

There seems to be little vision in Alberta amongst some of how to invest in an economy that is more diverse and resilient against the wide swings in the price of commodities. They now think that high oil prices and booms are normal.

Its hard for provinces who don’t have such a wealth of resources to work with and lower incomes to see Alberta as the victim.

The leaders in Alberta and Saskatchewan are playing this division and victimization card to serve political purposes. Doug Ford was correct in his statement after meeting with Trudeau. “It’s just politics. “

It’s time for Moe and Kenney to show some real leadership!

[shtferbrains]

Your not clear on that one DML.

Was that a post to show how little we are loosing?

I lol at the military part.

I saw a guy in uniform about 8 years ago.

We could send a couple of ag pilots down to Arizona and get some surplus jets from the boneyard there.

Trump would probably give them to us.

They traditionally give them to friendly new nations.

[Oliver88]

This is a huge problem that helped create weexit ...
This needs to change or we will continue to be dictated to and have no real voice in western Canada

In the USA:
New York has 2 senators
California has 2 senators
Montana has 2 senators
North Dakota has 2 senators

We definitely need a new deal.

[chuckChuck]

In the USA:
New York has 2 senators
California has 2 senators
Montana has 2 senators
North Dakota has 2 senators

We definitely need a new deal.

Abolish the senate. Adopt some form of proportional representation so that everybodys vote counts. Canada needs to modernize its antiquated democracy.

We don't need appointed partisans at the senate trough making decisions that can be made by democratically elected representatives.

The US system is dysfunctional. Why should the state of North Dakota with a population of 760,000 have as much political power in the senate as the State of California with a population of 40 million? That's absurd.

[Guest]

Thats kinda like saying the biggest kid in grade one should be able to wail on the smaller ones cause they are smaller

[fjlip]

"Why should the state of North Dakota with a population of 760,000 have as much political power in the senate as the State of California with a population of 40 million?"

Because California would DO to ND same as Kebek is doing to us! So the forward thinking US constitution writers were anticipating the SCREW jobs well ahead of time.

[furrowtickler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlmFr4FMvI

Interesting interview with Patric Moore

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Abolish the senate. Adopt some form of proportional representation so that everybodys vote counts. Canada needs to modernize its antiquated democracy.

We don't need appointed partisans at the senate trough making decisions that can be made by democratically elected representatives.

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Great ideas. Implementation is the only small problem. When the current system benefits those with all the power, so they have no impetus to change it, and those who would benefit from revising the system, have absolutely no chance of obtaining power under the current system, therefore no way to affect change..

Sounds really good when you say it though, doesn't it.