Newfoundland Vote

[Guest]

my goodness , how will the encyclopedia of ottawa read on numbnuts?

[chuckChuck]

A little refresher on Grant Devine's legacy.

No wonder many farmers love Grant Devine. He and Mulroney bailed farmers out with several programs that put cash in our hands. I took the $25per acre producer loan at 6% and invested it in GIC s for 11% and paid it all back! It was a great handout.

Devine was a spender and in typical fashion used the spending to get reelected. He liked to pick winners and losers in the private sector and spent lots of taxpayers money propping up business.

He hardly qualifies as a "get government out of the way kind of Conservative". He was the exact opposite. He just about drove Saskatchewan into bankruptcy with the many lucrative spendy programs and tax cuts.

He wasn't a fiscal conservative or a good money manager.

[bucket]

Very few have the vision of Grant Devine....and the story goes he may have supported Mulroney but he wasn't taken for granted nor did he ever forget Saskatchewan's farmers...

He understood the foundation of this province....

And while you state you put the loan into GICs ...he helped you or your next generation keep farming...you are just too stupid to realize it....

The farm payments were peanuts compared to the investments in a fertilizer plant , upgraders, power plants etc that provided and still are good paying jobs....

You have to be retarded not to look back and see his vision from 30 years ago...and then look at the current set of politicians that can't see past their nose....

[chuckChuck]

Although I didn't agree with him on many things he at least paid more attention to agriculture than the most recent oil centric premiers we have!

The 1980s were a horrible time in farming. Thank goodness the cheques from Mulroney and Devine kept coming or otherwise even more farmers would have gone bankrupt!

[bucket]

Although I didn't agree with him on many things he at least paid more attention to agriculture than the most recent oil centric premiers we have!

The 1980s were a horrible time in farming. Thank goodness the cheques from Mulroney and Devine kept coming or otherwise even more farmers would have gone bankrupt!

Sad part is you would have eventually went there too if those handouts hadn't have come...between the drought of 88 and other countries support and export programs...Canada's agriculture industry would have been decimated without the handouts...

So while guys like you shit on Devine ....while others help put shit policies in the hands of politicians...every generation of farmers to date have received government help to keep the industry healthy...

Ignore it like the current set are and it will fail while they throw money at secondary or processing industries....without helping the primary producers...

[chuckChuck]

Bucket I did benefit from Devine intervention. That's why I mentioned it.

But lets lay to rest the myth that Devine was a fiscal Conservative or a good manager of the provinces finances.

He bought off the electorate just like other politicians of various stripes!

And he put Saskatchewan in serious debt and at serious risk of defaulting. Which is what many of the Liberal haters on this site are often complaining about when it comes to other politicians. LOL

[jazz]

There are drastic different visions for this province and they are still around today mostly by the city planners. They see sask as the next silicon valley or something even though there is no evidence that is even remotely possible. When was the last time you heard of 100 tech engineers being relocated or hired here? Not happening, hasnt happened, not going to happen.

Devine looked at it differently, he saw 3 or 4 bread and butter industries and went after beefing them up and going after value added. Right idea, some poor execution.

[chuckChuck]

The Saskatchewan Progressive Conservatives in the end were destroyed by their own greed and stupidity.

Many of the caucus were charged and convicted of fraud in one of the most notorious scandals in Saskatchewan history.

It happened on Devine's watch. Many of you seem to want to ignore this sad part of Saskatchewan's history and Grant Devine's legacy.

There is a reason why we have a Saskatchewan Party instead of a Conservative party. The old guard is still trying to forget!

[bucket]

Bucket I did benefit from Devine intervention. That's why I mentioned it.

But lets lay to rest the myth that Devine was a fiscal Conservative or a good manager of the provinces finances.

He bought off the electorate just like other politicians of various stripes!

And he put Saskatchewan in serious debt and at serious risk of defaulting. Which is what many of the Liberal haters on this site are often complaining about when it comes to other politicians. LOL

So you are saying the fertilizer plant and heavy oil upgraders and power plants for a growing population were bad investments?

What made them bad investments is selling them off for nickels....want to discuss who did that???

While some of his plans were off base...if you look the bigger picture his vision of Saskatchewan and what he accomplished for the future of Saskatchewan was impressive...

I don't think he bankrupted the province...I like to look at it as laying a solid foundation...no one sees the foundations of a house ...they see the pretty house....

Sadly to those that followed it meant a football stadium and a bunch of overpasses...thats the house the foundation is supporting ...pretty sad ....thats what will break the province..because they have no resale....at any price...

[chuckChuck]

"So you are saying the fertilizer plant and heavy oil upgraders and power plants for a growing population were bad investments?"

No i am not. But giving homeowners who didn't need it $1500 grants for renovations was.

[bucket]

"So you are saying the fertilizer plant and heavy oil upgraders and power plants for a growing population were bad investments?"

No i am not. But giving homeowners who didn't need it $1500 grants for renovations was.

There is always a trade off...urban people will never see the value of agriculture...

And that 1500 to homeowners is no different than your 11 percent GIC....just stop while you are somewhat ahead....I can do the math on a 5 percent bump in interest while not paying 18 percent like your neighbours were for a while....

[jazz]

No i am not. But giving homeowners who didn't need it $1500 grants for renovations was.

Case you didn't notice, that's one of skippys platforms, $40k home reno credit. Devine ahead of his time it appears.