Newfoundland Vote

[chuckChuck]

Green energy is dead! LMAO. Green energy is more than expensive hydro options.

Saskatchewan is planning on more natural gas, lots of wind, some solar, and hydro imports from Manitoba. If anything is dead its going to be coal in Saskatchewan!

No comments on how Conservative governments mismanaged Saskatchewan and Newfoundland finances?
It doesn't matter what government is in involved? LOL Then why spend so much time bashing the Liberal record and ignoring the Conservatives mismanagement? LOL

[jazz]

Green energy is dead! LMAO. Green energy is more than expensive hydro options.

Saskatchewan is planning on more natural gas, lots of wind, some solar, and hydro imports from Manitoba. If anything is dead its going to be coal in Saskatchewan!

No comments on how Conservative governments mismanaged Saskatchewan and Newfoundland finances?
It doesn't matter what government is in involved? LOL Then why spend so much time bashing the Liberal record and ignoring the Conservatives mismanagement? LOL

It is dead. There will never be another hydro dam built in this country and the electricity supplied is subsidized by the govt, same as it is for solar and wind. No private company would ever be involved in these boondoggles, its always the govt.

The only technologies that would be relevant are the ones not being pursued. Nuclear or hydrogen. Only place where solar and wind work is a narrow strip in southern Sk and AB and no way to get that to Toronto or Vancouver. Greenies will block any transmission lines.

There is nothing else. So that means its oil and natural gas. Good thing we have them. I thought hydro was a possibility, its not.

So much for increasing Canadas population too if you cant get services to them.

DEAD

[chuckChuck]

Renewables 2019 - International Energy Agency

https://www.iea.org/renewables2019/ https://www.iea.org/renewables2019/

"Renewables are already the world's second largest source of electricity, but their deployment still needs to accelerate if we are to achieve long-term climate, air quality and energy access goals"
Dr Fatih Birol, Executive Director, IEA

"Solar PV drives strong rebound in renewable capacity additions

Renewable power capacity is set to expand by 50% between 2019 and 2024, led by solar PV. This increase of 1 200 GW is equivalent to the total installed power capacity of the United States today. Solar PV alone accounts for almost 60% of the expected growth, with onshore wind representing one-quarter.

Offshore wind contributes 4% of the increase, with its capacity forecast to triple by 2024, stimulated by competitive auctions in the European Union and expanding markets in China and the United States. Bioenergy capacity grows as much as offshore wind, with the greatest expansions in China, India and the European Union. Hydropower growth slows, although it still accounts for one-tenth of the total increase in renewable capacity.

In Renewables 2019's accelerated case, renewable capacity growth could be 26% (1 500 GW) higher than in the report's main forecast. The accelerated case requires that governments address three main challenges: 1) policy and regulatory uncertainty; 2) high investment risks in developing countries; and 3) system integration of wind and solar in some countries. Solar PV is the single largest source of additional expansion potential, followed by onshore wind and hydropower."

[chuckChuck]

Bloomberg New Energy Outlook 2019

https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/ https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/

1. Wind and solar make up almost 50% of world electricity in 2050 – “50 by 50” – and help put the power sector on track for 2 degrees to at least 2030.

2. A 12TW expansion of generating capacity requires about $13.3 trillion of new investment between now and 2050 – 77% of which goes to renewables.

3. Europe decarbonizes furthest, fastest. Coal-heavy China and gas-heavy U.S. play catch-up.

4. Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world. By 2030 they undercut commissioned coal and gas almost everywhere.

5. Consumer energy decisions such as rooftop solar and behind-the-meter batteries help shape an increasingly decentralized grid the world over.

6. Batteries, gas peakers and dynamic demand help wind and solar reach more than 80% penetration in some markets.

7. Coal continues to grow in Asia, but collapses everywhere else and peaks globally in 2026.
Electricity generation by region (TWh)

8. Gas-fired power grows just 0.6% per year to 2050, supplying system back-up and flexibility rather than bulk electricity in most markets.

9. Making heat and transport electric lowers emissions. The challenge is scale.

10. To keep an electrified energy sector on a 2-degree trajectory, we will need to deploy additional zero-carbon technologies that are dispatchable and economic running at low capacity factors, or technology that can capture and sequester emissions at scale.

[Guest]

I guess you cant blame the lack of pipelines and access to markets for Newfoundlands oil downturn!

"This has happened before – in 1993, Saskatchewan came to the very edge of insolvency. If the Conservative government of Brian Mulroney that year was able to give Saskatchewan $1-billion to avert insolvency,"

Grant Devine's Conservative governments left a mess of debt and deficits for Romanow when he took office late in 1991.

"It was a crisis for us in 1993," said Mr. Romanow, who discovered when he took office late in 1991 that his government had inherited a financial strait jacket after a decade of deficit spending by the previous Tory government of Grant Devine.

"Statistically, I think it was a race between Newfoundland and ourselves as to which of the provincial governments had a more critical fiscal picture on their hands," Mr. Romanow said. "I really think it was Saskatchewan. Our per-capita deficit was the highest of any province, as was our per-capita debt. And our lending sources had shrunk from over 100 to about 20 or 22, based on a series of bond-rating downgrades."

https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/politics/GandMarticle.html

One of the forgotten legacies of Grant Devine.

history has proven grant devine was on the right track
look at the legacies he has left us
did he have some thieving assholes around him , of course he did
if you are indeed a farmer , you would know better when you dry your grain with NG , or when you visit your folks in a nursing home , or enjoy power that comes from a nice reservoir like codette lake that provides all kinds of boating, fishing , etc, , or when you don't have to worry about power lines because they're underground
his fair share Sask that would of got govt depts out of cities was an absolute vision
wtf do we need more people in polluting cities
was grant perfect, of course not, you are the only person that's perfect
his biggest downfall was that he cared to much about Sask

[chuckChuck]

history has proven grant devine was on the right track
look at the legacies he has left us
did he have some thieving assholes around him , of course he did
if you are indeed a farmer , you would know better when you dry your grain with NG , or when you visit your folks in a nursing home , or enjoy power that comes from a nice reservoir like codette lake that provides all kinds of boating, fishing , etc, , or when you don't have to worry about power lines because they're underground
his fair share Sask that would of got govt depts out of cities was an absolute vision
wtf do we need more people in polluting cities
was grant perfect, of course not, you are the only person that's perfect
his biggest downfall was that he cared to much about Sask

And he just about bankrupted the province with some very questionable programs. 10 years of deficits! He was not a good example of a fiscal Conservative that you all dream of.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

4. Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world. By 2030 they undercut commissioned coal and gas almost everywhere.



6. Batteries, gas peakers and dynamic demand help wind and solar reach more than 80% penetration in some markets.

Citation please.

Or at least evidence.

Ore even a single example. I've been searching and have yet to find an example of wind and solar not being much more expensive in the end.

Can you define penetration, is that the same as supply, or a play on words?

[jazz]

All your vast cut and paste skills cant counter the stat that was put up a few weeks ago that renweables cant even keep up with overall energy demand growth. Sure they are growing, but nowhere near the baseload FF we have.

They will remain fringe at around 10% of our energy mix for a long time and then supplanted by a real energy source likely hydrogen for transport because it can be extracted from our current FF reserves.

Heating will be primarily natural gas and its relatives.

Electric will be a mix of hydro and natural gas generation, nuclear in some areas, solar where it matter like in US SW.

Large scale solar and wind projects in uneconomical areas like most of Canada will be opposed and local rooftop panels for the virtuous will be common. Generating solar in Australia or the Sahara does little good for China or the northern hemisphere. It cant be transported or stored so its useless.

[chuckChuck]

Citation please.

Or at least evidence.

Ore even a single example. I've been searching and have yet to find an example of wind and solar not being much more expensive in the end.

Can you define penetration, is that the same as supply, or a play on words?

Bloomberg New Energy Outlook 2019

https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/

Take it up with them.

They have the resources and capacity to do this kind of analysis and forecasts. Neither you or I have all the information or expertise to do this analysis.

[chuckChuck]

All your vast cut and paste skills cant counter the stat that was put up a few weeks ago that renweables cant even keep up with overall energy demand growth. Sure they are growing, but nowhere near the baseload FF we have.

They will remain fringe at around 10% of our energy mix for a long time and then supplanted by a real energy source likely hydrogen for transport because it can be extracted from our current FF reserves.

Heating will be primarily natural gas and its relatives.

Electric will be a mix of hydro and natural gas generation, nuclear in some areas, solar where it matter like in US SW.

Large scale solar and wind projects in uneconomical areas like most of Canada will be opposed and local rooftop panels for the virtuous will be common. Generating solar in Australia or the Sahara does little good for China or the northern hemisphere. It cant be transported or stored so its useless.

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Parts of central asia and western China have very good solar resources. Parts of North America also.
The southern prairies look good as well.

Bloomberg and the International Energy agency have more insights into what the present and future may look like. But your assertion that "renewables are dead" is just dead wrong!

That doesn't mean Canada will look like Arizona or Australia when it comes to renewables. It will vary by region and country. Solar is only one option.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Bloomberg New Energy Outlook 2019

https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/

Take it up with them.

They have the resources and capacity to do this kind of analysis and forecasts. Neither you or I have all the information or expertise to do this analysis.

Then how did they still get it so horrendously wrong? Nowhere in the world have wind and solar not raised costs to consumers, yet Bloomberg claims it is cheapr nearly everywhere? And you repeat it without fact checking or any critical analysis?

[chuckChuck]

Ask Bloomberg and the IEA not me. Show us your numbers from around the world!