Tesla cybertruck

[furrowtickler]

Will be interesting to see how the Ford and Chev models turn out .
Will be impressed when I can just plug into any 110 to charge em up.
Or even a 220 welder plug .

[biglentil]

Will be interesting to see how the Ford and Chev models turn out .
Will be impressed when I can just plug into any 110 to charge em up.
Or even a 220 welder plug .

120V is just enough to keep batteries warm in winter, no range added. 60 amp welder plug will give about 25miles range per hour of charging.

[jazz]

Can you leave it running in front of the local saloon in -40C?

[bucket]

Right ....the minus 40 issue....has that been solved?

[Partners]

How much would range vary with cold temps?
If going to try one..I would lease it in case their resale is shit in a few yrs..

[bucket]

Off topic....do environmentalists use air conditioning or heat in their vehicles and tractors?????

[biglentil]

Right ....the minus 40 issue....has that been solved?

Electric battery heat mats are used to keep battery performance up. Batteries would go dead without being plugged in 120v at a minimum. Range would be significantly less due to heater use in those temps. Maybe 50% so 250miles still would meet 96% of my driving needs. Save an ole gasser for long roadtrips or better yet an ole 12v cummins.

[chuckChuck]

Nissan uses a heat pump for heating and cooling their all electric Leaf:

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/heat_pump_cabin_heater.html https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/heat_pump_cabin_heater.html

[biglentil]

Nissan uses a heat pump for heating and cooling their all electric Leaf:

https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/heat_pump_cabin_heater.html https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/heat_pump_cabin_heater.html

Get ready to freeze ass off in -40. Heat Pumps cannot extract much heat from the atmosphere at those temps.

[chuckChuck]

-40 will be a real challenge for heat pumps and EV heaters. Hopefully engineeers will come up with good viable solutions.

The majority of North Americans live in regions where it won't be a problem.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/electric-cars-cold-weather-temperatures

In cold weather, all cars get less efficient. For gasoline-powered cars, factors like cold engine oil and increased idling can reduce fuel economy in freezing conditions by 20% or more. Overall, electric cars are more efficient than gasoline cars because an electric motor is much more efficient in turning stored electricity into motion than an internal combustion engine is in converting the chemical energy of gasoline to mechanical energy.

You can see (or feel) this inefficiency when considering the energy lost in the form of heat that leaves a gasoline car through the tailpipe and radiator. That heat is energy from the gasoline that is wasted. About 60% of the energy from gasoline is turned into heat, while only about 20% goes to drive the wheels. However, when temperatures dip, this “waste” heat is used to warm the cabin.

A battery electric car lacks a wasteful (but warm) engine, so an electric heating system (either a resistive heater or heat pump) is needed to keep the inside climate toasty on a chilly day. This electricity for heating will come from the same battery that’s used to power the electric drivetrain, so the effective range will drop in cold weather (assuming the driver chooses to use the heater).

Not all of the loss in range is due to the climate control system. Batteries also have lower performance as the temperature dips due to the impact of the temperature on mobility of electrons through the battery. To keep performance and reduce accelerated aging of the batteries, many EVs have a thermal management system that keeps the battery warmed (or cooled in hot temps) to an optimum temperature range. Warming the battery pack takes power that reduces range. Heating the cabin and battery combined can increase the auxiliary power load on an EV like the Nissan LEAF from below 1 kW to almost 3kW as the temp goes from 68 ºF to 10 ºF.

[recapped]

Hope there enough room in the bed for gas generator. Needed for when you arrive at a charge station only to find it is out of service.

[chuckChuck]

When charge stations are as common as gas pumps then it won't matter. When the power goes out gas pumps don't work either.

[farmaholic]

Sometimes I think we(spoken "me") are slow to change or adopt new technology.
But being the first to own new tech is usually expensive and frustrating.
The cost of new tech is usually high and comes down after widespread availability and adoption.
There can also be alot of new tech "bugs" that need to be worked out before it becomes reliable and dependable and proven.

....so it will likely be a while before I own an electric vehicle.
I don't want to pay to be a guinea pig.

Anyone notice the amount of recalls on new vehicles and some equipment....staggering.

[Partners]

At our coop C store there us always line ups.the attendants put through the vehicles in minutes..
So how many chargers would be required to do the same?

[chuckChuck]

It will require lots of chargers. But there will also be lots of chargers in parking lots where most cars sit all day doing nothing while people are at work.