carbon tax

[jazz]

The carbon tax is specifically designed NOT to work no matter what the eggheads will tell you. They know well that people do not have alternatives to these expenditures so they will keep siphoning it, spreading it around for votes, drop some scarmongering reports and then raise it. Got to sell fear first then people will vote for their own enslavement.

[blackpowder]

Interesting insight to a socialists mind. The premiers fault for faulty implementation of a federal law, that is incredibly faulty. Baha, a peculiar specie of idiot.

[Taiga]

And you can’t pass all these extra costs of doing business on, like every other business is able to, that is the real kick in the teeth. Still have to hold your hand out and beg ‘what will you give me for my grain?’.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Interesting insight to a socialists mind. The premiers fault for faulty implementation of a federal law, that is incredibly faulty. Baha, a peculiar specie of idiot.

Which is why I advocate for allowing the Socialist trolls to continue to contribute, even though there is a regular call for banning them from the site. It is so enlightening to understand how they view the world, and they provide this information voluntarily.

[blackpowder]

I never advocate for banishment.
My zen requires I block them however.
I only now read these morsels as reposts.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Interesting insight to a socialists mind. The premiers fault for faulty implementation of a federal law, that is incredibly faulty. Baha, a peculiar specie of idiot.

But not surprising that this is his conclusion. The apologists for socialism/communism have always blamed their failures on the improper application of their theories, never on the theories themselves. In this case, the blame is once removed from the source, but the message remains constant, it could never be the fault of the flawed economic system. We just always happen to do it wrong, and it inevitably results in human death and suffering, but next time we will get it right.

[chuckChuck]

Its quite ironic to watch farmers who regularly receive taxpayers support complain about socialism when they directly and indirectly benefit from subsidies to their farms which is a form of wealth redistribution!

Many farmers get their loans from the state owned Farm Credit Canada which provides direct competition to the private sector.

Most farmers get subsidized crop insurance from the state owned Saskatchewan Crop Insurance Corporation.

In Sask Party Saskatchewan, state owned utilities like Sask Power and Sasktel are widely supported and often deliver great service at lower costs.

The education and healthcare systems are more or less state run.

The public road system is state owned.

Many irrigation systems in Alberta and Saskatchewan were built and owned and/or subsidized by the state.

So let us know when you want to give up all the socialist benefits of state owned enterprises and supports and subsidies that make life and agriculture in Canada better.

And maybe you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone and everything you disagree with as socialist! Because you would have to add yourself to the list and it makes you a hypocrite! LOL

[ajl]

Fair bit of truth to that Chuck. Wealth transfers are so common in canuckistan that the discussion comes down to I will give up my subsidies when you give up yours. The biggest subsidy of them all was artificial low interest rates provided by government money printing. Large operators could expand with free capital. However the day is coming when government is broke and then free markets will re emerge. I am not old enough to know what a free market looks like so that day will be a shock to us all.

[helmach]

Its quite ironic to watch farmers who regularly receive taxpayers support complain about socialism when they directly and indirectly benefit from subsidies to their farms which is a form of wealth redistribution!

Many farmers get their loans from the state owned Farm Credit Canada which provides direct competition to the private sector.

Most farmers get subsidized crop insurance from the state owned Saskatchewan Crop Insurance Corporation.

In Sask Party Saskatchewan, state owned utilities like Sask Power and Sasktel are widely supported and often deliver great service at lower costs.

The education and healthcare systems are more or less state run.

The public road system is state owned.

Many irrigation systems in Alberta and Saskatchewan were built and owned and/or subsidized by the state.

So let us know when you want to give up all the socialist benefits of state owned enterprises and supports and subsidies that make life and agriculture in Canada better.

And maybe you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone and everything you disagree with as socialist! Because you would have to add yourself to the list and it makes you a hypocrite! LOL

I pay interest on my mortgage loans thro FCC like everyone who borrows money.
Crop insurances is a joke and dont use it.
last I checkedy power and phone bill were the same as my folks who live in saskatoon... no subsidy there.
gladly pay private health insurances instead of being taxed 30 plus% on my off farm wage for 12 month hospital waiting lists... roads in this province are a joke.
so a handleful of farmers got irritated subsidized acres. I would give it all up in a heartbeat chucky. the wealth distribution comes from an industry when it is thriving and booming not beaten down like stray dog around every corner.

[chuckChuck]

"I pay interest on my mortgage loans thro FCC like everyone who borrows money.
Crop insurances is a joke and dont use it.
last I checkedy power and phone bill were the same as my folks who live in saskatoon... no subsidy there.
gladly pay private health insurances instead of being taxed 30 plus% on my off farm wage for 12 month hospital waiting lists... roads in this province are a joke.
so a handleful of farmers got irritated subsidized acres. I would give it all up in a heartbeat chucky. the wealth distribution comes from an industry when it is thriving and booming not beaten down like stray dog around every corner."

Without FCC banks could charge a lot more interest. FCC makes them more competitive because the mandate of the FCC is to serve agriculture.

Coorection, the Sask Power rural farm rate is lower than the residential rate even though the cost of delivering power to many dispersed farms is higher.

Mobile phone rates are too high, but Sasktel competition keep them lower than in many other provinces with pretty good rural coverage.

The US system of healthcare costs way more per capita and leaves many Americans without good insurance coverage. Health care costs in the US cause a lot of personal bankruptcy. Just what you need when you are sick and or elderly! And if you are chronically sick you wont get coverage. They will drop you.

Most of the roads I drive on are good. We could switch to a user pay system and then every load of grain you ship or haul would cost a lot more! Why should non driving city folk subsidize your road and highway system if they don't use them?

If you are farming you are getting several indirect and direct subsidies. Do I need to list them?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Its quite ironic to watch farmers who regularly receive taxpayers support complain about socialism when they directly and indirectly benefit from subsidies to their farms which is a form of wealth redistribution!

Many farmers get their loans from the state owned Farm Credit Canada which provides direct competition to the private sector.

Most farmers get subsidized crop insurance from the state owned Saskatchewan Crop Insurance Corporation.

In Sask Party Saskatchewan, state owned utilities like Sask Power and Sasktel are widely supported and often deliver great service at lower costs.

The education and healthcare systems are more or less state run.

The public road system is state owned.

Many irrigation systems in Alberta and Saskatchewan were built and owned and/or subsidized by the state.

So let us know when you want to give up all the socialist benefits of state owned enterprises and supports and subsidies that make life and agriculture in Canada better.

And maybe you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone and everything you disagree with as socialist! Because you would have to add yourself to the list and it makes you a hypocrite! LOL

That is what is known as a deflection. We were asking Chuck how to explain the failure of the CO2 tax to motivate farmers to reduce their CO2 emissions, and in response, we get a tirade about subsidies. Obviously because that is much easier than admitting the failure of the CO2 tax, which he had been advocating so vehemently as a market based solution to a perceived problem.

And in response, I have never banked with FCC or AFSC, no subsidised crop insurance, and last I checked, we pay taxes to governments in exchange for providing basic services such as roads, health care, education, policing etc., how you construe that as a subsidy, is a mystery to me. Have you found a way to avoid paying taxes, yet still receive those services, allowing the rest of us to subsidise yourself?

[chuckChuck]

BC has had a carbon tax for many years and their economy is doing well and their emissions have not risen as much as they would have without a carbon tax. According to the experts. I am not sure what impact it is has had on agriculture in BC. Much of agriculture is exempt.

So are you in Agri Invest with a matching deposit from the government? If not why would you pass up this program?

Your taxes will cover some of the benefits you receive in the form of roads, healthcare, education and direct and indirect farm subsidies but not all.

But many farms don't have a lot of net income and so don't really pay a lot of tax on their farm income anyway.

So you can probably call yourself a socialist too!

[TASFarms]

BC has had a carbon tax for many years and their economy is doing well and their emissions have not risen as much as they would have without a carbon tax. According to the experts. I am not sure what impact it is has had on agriculture in BC. Much of agriculture is exempt.

So are you in Agri Invest with a matching deposit from the government? If not why would you pass up this program?

Your taxes will cover some of the benefits you receive in the form of roads, healthcare, education and direct and indirect farm subsidies but not all.

But many farms don't have a lot of net income and so don't really pay a lot of tax on their farm income anyway.

So you can probably call yourself a socialist too!

Bc charges carbon tax on all goods that ship through their province on rail. Pretty shitty if you ask me. Not much different than giving money to Quebec

[AlbertaFarmer5]

BC has had a carbon tax for many years and their economy is doing well and their emissions have not risen as much as they would have without a carbon tax.

So that is how we should measure the results of a policy, not based on the stated goals before implementation, but, instead judge it by how bad they failed relative to how badly they could have failed? The stated purpose was to reduce CO2 emissions, and now you are celebrating the fact that they still went up, and didn't completely destroy the economy in the process? Cognitive Dissonance.

Your taxes will cover some of the benefits you receive in the form of roads, healthcare, education and direct and indirect farm subsidies but not all.

But many farms don't have a lot of net income and so don't really pay a lot of tax on their farm income anyway.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but some of us farmers still have the financial management skills to be profitable( not spending capital on solar panels may be at least one factor to consider, if you are not in a profitable situation where you would not have the privilege of paying taxes), I assure you that the taxes our farm pays are subsidising many other citizens.

[chuckChuck]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html

"British Columbians are generating fewer greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gas emissions per person in British Columbia have declined over the past decade and stabilized in recent years. Greenhouse gas emissions per unit gross domestic product—a measure of the size of the economy—are on the decline in B.C."

Read the details and look at the graphs on the above website and it clearly shows that BCs carbon tax is working and the economy is growing!

So A5 you are wrong again my socialist friend!

And don't worry I pay lots of taxes too! And I am very happy to be farming and living in such a great country, unlike you who thinks the USA is better. You should move there if you think it is so great.