carbon tax

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Excellent work on that find Chuck.

Now can you tell us, was this the stated goal of the CO2 tax policy, or is this a case of moving the goal posts to match the results? Because I could have swore that reducing total CO2 emissions was the original policy goal. Can you now find the documentation proving that reducing CO2 per capita, or per unit of economic output was the actual goal? Reminds me of your global warming arguments, where the goal posts keep shifting, from warming, to an all encompassing system, where the goal posts were broadened to include every possible scenario, even completely opposite of the original predictions.

You are aware that the USA has reduced its total CO2 output without any CO2 tax, how do you explain that?

And again with the deflection, what does the desire to be a part of a country that successfully embraced cheap, plentiful and clean natural gas as an energy source, a bottom up, grassroots, free market solution, have to do with the failure of the top down, enforcement, punitive tax model we applied here?

[chuckChuck]

Ask Preston Manning what the goal of a carbon tax is. Manning must be a socialist though!

Manning said it is a market driven approach and not top down because consumers can decide how to reduce emissions.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-preston-manning-has-answer-to-carbon-problem-but-clout-with-conservatives-seems-in-decline https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-preston-manning-has-answer-to-carbon-problem-but-clout-with-conservatives-seems-in-decline

"Manning has argued tirelessly with Reform's spiritual heirs that simple, revenue-neutral carbon pricing is the most conservative approach available to fighting emissions"

But many Conservative leaders would rather play politics than do anything.

[fjlip]

Before any discussions on TAX, the basic SCAM must be addressed... Go ahead refute this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU

[TASFarms]

The B.C. Govt brags about how much money the carbon tax brought in for them and to spend on stupid things. they aren’t spending much of it on anything to do with the environment

[chuckChuck]

Before any discussions on TAX, the basic SCAM must be addressed... Go ahead refute this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU

What scam? You mean the science that shows the earth is round?

[TASFarms]

What scam? You mean the science that shows the earth is round?

You can’t be serious or is that sarcasm?

[fjlip]

"It is easier to deceive people, than convince them that they are deceived"

That be you Cultists Deceive children, ruin their lives, you evil people!
"Terrorizing, and exploiting children for political purposes, and tyrannical power gains, is abuse."

[TASFarms]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html

"British Columbians are generating fewer greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gas emissions per person in British Columbia have declined over the past decade and stabilized in recent years. Greenhouse gas emissions per unit gross domestic product—a measure of the size of the economy—are on the decline in B.C."

Read the details and look at the graphs on the above website and it clearly shows that BCs carbon tax is working and the economy is growing!

So A5 you are wrong again my socialist friend!

And don't worry I pay lots of taxes too! And I am very happy to be farming and living in such a great country, unlike you who thinks the USA is better. You should move there if you think it is so great.

They do not include Vancouver air port in any of this. Or the new G3 terminal, any international travel Cherry picking data at its finest.

[rumrocks]

After Invironment Canada discarded historic weather data solely for the purpose of shoring up the liberal governments argument in favor of climate change, government C02 numbers have 0 credibility with me. Let's not forget, it was Minister of Loud & Believe in charge at the time.

[furrowtickler]

[fjlip]

Another boot to their Climate Change BALLS...

https://youtu.be/4ELGhUPC2tA https://youtu.be/4ELGhUPC2tA

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Ask Preston Manning what the goal of a carbon tax is. Manning must be a socialist though!

Manning said it is a market driven approach and not top down because consumers can decide how to reduce emissions.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-preston-manning-has-answer-to-carbon-problem-but-clout-with-conservatives-seems-in-decline https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-preston-manning-has-answer-to-carbon-problem-but-clout-with-conservatives-seems-in-decline

"Manning has argued tirelessly with Reform's spiritual heirs that simple, revenue-neutral carbon pricing is the most conservative approach available to fighting emissions"

But many Conservative leaders would rather play politics than do anything.

It is difficult somedays to understand which side you are on in these issues. You have some unhealthy fascination with the need to call on the authority of public figures, or celebrities, in this case a former politician to support your lack of scientific or economic knowledge. Considering the topic which you are trying to defend, which is the fact that the CO2 tax failed in its stated purpose, why would you then also discredit the public figure who advocated for it? Now you can no longer point to him as an expert in the field, since he apparently got this one so terribly wrong.

Do you not read what we are posting before responding? Or you only have a set number of cookie cutter responses provided, and cannot adequately respond to anything outside of those topics? Why can you never address the actual questions, or accusations, but go off on a rant about believing in science, or consensus, or what some politician thinks, or about soot, or moving to the US? It leaves the reader with the impression that you are unable and unqualified to answer. There is a saying about opening your mouth and removing all doubt...

[chuckChuck]

if you don't know which side I am on by now your comprehension skills are lacking.

You said a carbon tax doesn't work. BC experience has shown it does. The BC economy and population has grown in but the emissions are coming down relative to GDP.

"Greenhouse gas emissions per unit gross domestic product—a measure of the size of the economy—have consistently declined since 2001 in British Columbia.
Population size and gross domestic product in British Columbia have consistently increased since 2009, while greenhouse gas emissions have either stablized or increased by relatively small increments—compared to population and gross domestic product growth—during this same time period."

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html

If you have evidence and data to the contrary to back up your claim show us or shut up.

But like many of your posts you seem to spend most of your time worrying about me and little time actually presenting any evidence to back up your claims.

[bucket]

By your logic if Canada had 120 million people our GHG emissions per capita would be so low it would matter...and a carbon tax wouldn't work...

[Hamloc]

if you don't know which side I am on by now your comprehension skills are lacking.

You said a carbon tax doesn't work. BC experience has shown it does. The BC economy and population has grown in but the emissions are coming down relative to GDP.

"Greenhouse gas emissions per unit gross domestic product—a measure of the size of the economy—have consistently declined since 2001 in British Columbia.
Population size and gross domestic product in British Columbia have consistently increased since 2009, while greenhouse gas emissions have either stablized or increased by relatively small increments—compared to population and gross domestic product growth—during this same time period."

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html

If you have evidence and data to the contrary to back up your claim show us or shut up.

But like many of your posts you seem to spend most of your time worrying about me and little time actually presenting any evidence to back up your claims.

So greenhouse gas emissions per unit of domestic product started declining in 2001, B.C.'s carbon tax was implemented in 2008, how do you then credit the carbon tax?

The IPCC says that our total emissions must decline 7.6% every year from now until 2030 to prevent climate catastrophe! If B.C.'s overall emissions continue to increase but it is our most successful example of an effective carbon tax where does that leave us? Vancouver has a 17 cents per litre transit tax on gasoline which is higher than the carbon tax per litre, how do you know that isn't the reason for lower consumption? B.C. pays some of the highest prices for gasoline in North America and yet their overall emissions increase and these high prices are created mostly by lack of supply.