carbon tax

[Hamloc]

BC used their carbon tax to reduce other taxes. So it isn't just about collecting more revenues for government.

Moe and Kenney never mention that a lot of the federal carbon tax is being returned to consumers with a tax credit! That wouldn't fit with their stories about how bad the carbon tax is. LOL

"its just politics" right!

Yes Chuck when the B.C. Liberal's implemented the carbon tax they endeavoured to make it revenue neutral, that went out the window when the NDP was elected. They have increased the carbon tax, they have increased corporate taxes and brought in many other taxes and the carbon tax is now nowhere near revenue neutral. Governments look at a carbon tax as an publicly acceptable way to increase taxes and therefore revenue!!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

BC used their carbon tax to reduce other taxes. So it isn't just about collecting more revenues for government.

Moe and Kenney never mention that a lot of the federal carbon tax is being returned to consumers with a tax credit! That wouldn't fit with their stories about how bad the carbon tax is. LOL

"its just politics" right!

Why do you keep deflecting back to BC's CO2 tax instead of responding to questions about the CO2 tax as it applies to grain farmers? Is it some type of attention deficit disorder? This is as ridiculous as the previous thread when you kept pointing at Saskatchewans lax off-shore drilling regulations when asked to compare Sask's oil spill record to the rest of the world. And there was a map attached to the thread in which you could have actually checked into how many of Sask's spills were off shore, but you didn't.

But since you brought it up, great point about the CO2 tax being returned to CONSUMERS. Farmers are not consumers, they are businesses, using orders of magnitude more fossil fuels than any average consumer, their personal rebate is irrelevant compared to the expense. And that is what the politicians et al refuse to acknowledge, that this is a transfer of wealth from productive businesses who don't vote, to buy off individual voters. They keep saying consumers will get more back than they paid, without ever mentioning how that is possible, or who is paying more than their share.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's why I said there is case for an exemption or a rebate of the carbon tax on propane or natural gas. But that wont change the fact that drying is still expensive or that farmers have low margins.

Yes, but this is a climate crisis, exempting farmers will only encourage us to do the wrong thing, and keep emitting planet killing CO2. That is not the type of action you take in the middle of a crisis, please act like this is a crisis that you take seriously. If you need refreshed, Grassfarmer linked a 102 page report from NFU detailing how the climate crisis will affect farmers, and how to fix it.

[chuckChuck]

Yes Chuck when the B.C. Liberal's implemented the carbon tax they endeavoured to make it revenue neutral, that went out the window when the NDP was elected. They have increased the carbon tax, they have increased corporate taxes and brought in many other taxes and the carbon tax is now nowhere near revenue neutral. Governments look at a carbon tax as an publicly acceptable way to increase taxes and therefore revenue!!!!

The two biggest budget items in most provinces are healthcare and education. I doubt anyone supports cutting either with lower tax revenues. The provinces just asked for more federal help with healthcare.

A carbon tax can be used for general revenues it can also be used to cut other types of taxes. Each province can decide.

The evidence is BCs carbon tax cut emissions as a percentage of GDP and strong economic growth continued.

Governments can provide support to industries or sectors who are not able to pass on carbon taxes through rebates, tax cuts or by other means.

[chuckChuck]

Why do you keep deflecting back to BC's CO2 tax instead of responding to questions about the CO2 tax as it applies to grain farmers? Is it some type of attention deficit disorder? This is as ridiculous as the previous thread when you kept pointing at Saskatchewans lax off-shore drilling regulations when asked to compare Sask's oil spill record to the rest of the world. And there was a map attached to the thread in which you could have actually checked into how many of Sask's spills were off shore, but you didn't.

But since you brought it up, great point about the CO2 tax being returned to CONSUMERS. Farmers are not consumers, they are businesses, using orders of magnitude more fossil fuels than any average consumer, their personal rebate is irrelevant compared to the expense. And that is what the politicians et al refuse to acknowledge, that this is a transfer of wealth from productive businesses who don't vote, to buy off individual voters. They keep saying consumers will get more back than they paid, without ever mentioning how that is possible, or who is paying more than their share.

Saskatchewan and Alberta had a chance to ask for a rebate on the carbon tax on drying fuels at the premiers conference. There was not a mention of it or anything about agriculture. Call your Premier and ask why he didn't bring this up!

So there is your answer on how important it is to Saskatchewan and Alberta governments.

It doesn't matter whether farmers are large or small, they still consume energy and the rebates can match their consumption.

The oil industry is trying to become energy efficient and reduce carbon emissions per unit of production. Why shouldn't agriculture also try to do this?

You don't want to do anything because there is no climate crisis and more CO2 in the atmosphere is good for the planet! Correct?

[blackpowder]

It's a consumption tax going into general revenues.
Reduce emissions?
Hopefully not like sin taxes have reduced tobacco and alcohol usage.
Maybe Kenney can at least keep it all here.

[fjlip]

"You don't want to do anything because there is no climate crisis and more CO2 in the atmosphere is good for the planet!"

Absolutely! Total BULLSHIT, LIES made up C02 %, average my AZZ, impossible! World temp to a tenth of a degree, F*CKING joke! A CULT/ RELIGION, nothing can be proven, no forecast has ever come true in past 100 years. Climate always changing, always will, we can do SFA about it. ADAPT, think about important stuff, not warming a few degrees. Nothing could be better for this ICEBOX than warmer. CC you never refuted the data cherry picking yet... https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/global-warming-fraud-exposed-in-pictures-bA-1mNrK0kiarserpfa9iA/2019-10-02T22:29:32.6266770Z/zqymapiRiEykgCTlPDGg9Q/?replyPage=1 https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/global-warming-fraud-exposed-in-pictures-bA-1mNrK0kiarserpfa9iA/2019-10-02T22:29:32.6266770Z/zqymapiRiEykgCTlPDGg9Q/?replyPage=1