carbon tax

[jazz]

The thread title is Carbon tax

Growth in BC GDP in the past decade was solely due to onshoring of foreign money to the RE market. Got nothing at all to do with the carbon tax.

BCs real drivers of GDP forestry mining oil and gas are on the skids and now the RE market is teetering. BC will be the next have not province.

Chucks cut and paste skills are useless and just show someone's disconnect with reality. They used to electric shock people like him.

[Hamloc]

A5 why are you worrying about the carbon tax or greenhouse gas emissions because you don't believe in human caused climate change science anyway.

So why waste our time telling us that carbon taxes don't work. According to you there is no problem so why bother discussing any measures to reduce emissions?

Chuck what always amazes me is how people like yourself attempting to prove how wonderful B.C.'s carbon tax always use 2007. In 2008 B.C.'s carbon emissions dropped 2-3 mega tonnes going by memory, I would have to look, due to the economic recession that began in 2008. If you compare 2017 emissions to 2008 in B.C. they have gone up. The fact still remains that B.C.'s total emissions have not gone down and continue to rise contrary to IPCC policy. The other fact you continue to talk about is farmer's being exempt from carbon taxes! This is not true on natural gas and propane used for heating or drying grain. We pay carbon tax on both and consumption has not decreased. You refuse to directly address both points!!!

[blackpowder]

So a steep increase in the road tax should increase gdp as well.
Right, I forgot that all the carbon tax income is going to the new green industry income driver.
How lucky we are to live in a country where a heavy consumption tax actually raises the standard of living.
Now we can develop our warp drive at last.

[fjlip]

"The other fact you continue to talk about is farmer's being exempt from carbon taxes! This is not true on natural gas and propane used for heating or drying grain. We pay carbon tax on both and consumption has not decreased."

And we are supposed to pay for ON ROAD diesel hauling grain/livestock! Good luck calculating that FEDS!

[fjlip]

Still, with a growing economy and declining emissions, the historical data indicate that BC’s GHG intensity per unit of GDP, a leading indicator of decarbonization success, fell 19 percent since 2007.


CC you can discuss the hell out of C02 models, estimates, calculations, forecasts, most of us have a real hard time believing any of the CLAIMED figures. Impossible to prove for sure. Any can be ADJUSTED to fir the desired result. Massive amount of data, many humans inputting, errors can be huge. Same with a WORLD average temperature, real simple to arrive at that to a tenth of a degree...it's to complex to be simply C02!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The thread title is Carbon tax

Very astute observation.
Thank you for proving my accusation that you don't Bother to read anyone else's posts or links before responding with your ready to serve, pre-chewed cut and paste irrelevant responses. You have been responding to the thread title all along, not the posters.

[Guest]

Growth in BC GDP in the past decade was solely due to onshoring of foreign money to the RE market. Got nothing at all to do with the carbon tax.

BCs real drivers of GDP forestry mining oil and gas are on the skids and now the RE market is teetering. BC will be the next have not province.

Chucks cut and paste skills are useless and just show someone's disconnect with reality. They used to electric shock people like him.

maybe he doesn't realize BC is a money laundering experiment???
wonder if they could get enough amps out of a solar panel for the shocking

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A5 why are you worrying about the carbon tax or greenhouse gas emissions because you don't believe in human caused climate change science anyway.

So why waste our time telling us that carbon taxes don't work. According to you there is no problem so why bother discussing any measures to reduce emissions?

You best stick with losing one battle at a time Chuck.
But, yes, right now we have a solution, which has failed completely to reduce emissions, and even if it succeeded as originally intended, wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket compared to how fast the rest of the world is raising their emissions, to a problem, which even if there were evidence that it existed, our country is proposed to be a net beneficiary.

The fact that you persist on thinking that science has something to do with a belief system is the least of your problems compared to all that.

But we shouldn't let any of that stop us from punishing farmers for drying their grain, which they shouldn't be needing to do by now if global warming had of proceeded on schedule.

[chuckChuck]

Show us the evidence that BCs carbon tax has resulted in higher emissions relative to GDP growth.

Moe and Kenney both have the option to rebate carbon taxes on propane and natural gas or give grants to farmers for the extra drying costs.

[chuckChuck]

More than 40 governments worldwide have adopted some form of a carbon tax.

https://carbonpricingdashboard.worldbank.org/map_data https://carbonpricingdashboard.worldbank.org/map_data

More evidence from Britain that carbon taxes work.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/02/climate/pricing-carbon-emissions.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/02/climate/pricing-carbon-emissions.html

"In Britain, the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, greenhouse gas emissions have fallen to their lowest level since 1890. One key factor: A carbon tax that has prompted electric utilities to switch away from coal.

Technically, Britain is covered by the European Union’s broader cap-and-trade system, which sets an overall ceiling on emissions from key industries and allows companies to buy and sell carbon permits. But, because of a glut of permits on the market, carbon prices in Europe remained low for years and the program has had a relatively muted effect on emissions.

So, in 2013, Parliament enacted a carbon price floor under the system for certain sectors, including electricity, a policy that essentially functions as a carbon tax of around $25 per ton. That tax has encouraged electric utilities to rapidly switch from coal to somewhat cleaner natural gas. This is perhaps the clearest example in the world of a carbon tax leading to a significant cut in emissions."

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, I will try one last time. As simple as possible:

Why did the CO2 tax not cause farmers to reduce their CO2 emissions from grain drying this fall?

[chuckChuck]

The answer is obvious. The NDP in Saskatchewan asked the Sask party in a joint request to ask the federal government to rebate the carbon tax for grain drying.

The Sask party said no! Why?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The answer is obvious. The NDP in Saskatchewan asked the Sask party in a joint request to ask the federal government to rebate the carbon tax for grain drying.

The Sask party said no! Why?

That isn't what I asked.

[chuckChuck]

Do i need to spell it out! LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do i need to spell it out! LOL

Apparently, yes you do.

According to Grassfarmer's thread, farmers are facing a climate crisis that threatens our entire industry. Suggesting Rebating us so we can keep on emitting doesn't sound like you take the climate crisis seriously.

Why didn't the market based CO2 tax work to force farmers to make the responsible choice and find alternatives for drying their grain?