Windfarm Blocked

[chuckChuck]

Show us the numbers that wind power is not economical for Sask power or shut up! Otherwise you are just full of BS.

Sask power is also investing in natural gas and imports of hydro from Manitoba.

[jazz]

Show us the numbers that wind power is not economical for Sask power or shut up! Otherwise you are just full of BS.

Sask power is also investing in natural gas and imports of hydro from Manitoba.

Well the windmill out my door loses money everyday, its always shut down. Too windy shut down, too foggy shut down, too cold shutdown, too hot shutdown, geese migration shutdown, repairs shutdown. The solar panels below covered in a snowdrift or hoarfrost getting an hr of sun a day.

UNECONOMICAL

If it was private industry would have covered the prairies in panels decades ago.

[burnt]

Well the windmill out my door loses money everyday, its always shut down. Too windy shut down, too foggy shut down, too cold shutdown, too hot shutdown, geese migration shutdown, repairs shutdown. The solar panels below covered in a snowdrift or hoarfrost getting an hr of sun a day.

UNECONOMICAL

If it was private industry would have covered the prairies in panels decades ago.

Oh come on, surely the other 30 days of the year it must be making money...

[chuckChuck]

You are obviously don't know much and again provided no numbers to back up your arguments. Just more BS!

The cost of windpower and solar power have both dropped dramatically in the last few years. So any suggestion that if they would have been economical they would have been used decades ago is just plain nonsense.

They are getting used now because they are economical.

From Bloomberg
https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/

"4. Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world. By 2030 they undercut commissioned coal and gas almost everywhere."

From the International Energy Agency:
https://www.iea.org/fuels-and-technologies/renewables

"Renewables have grown rapidly in recent years, driven by sharp cost reductions for solar photovoltaics and wind power in particular. The electricity sector remains the brightest spot for renewables with the exponential growth of solar photovoltaics and wind in recent years, building on the already significant contribution of hydropower generation."

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2019

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That is great news Chuck. Already cheaper across 2/3s of the world. So you must have unlimited examples of how that has translated into lower costs for the end users?

[chuckChuck]

I see you have backed away from your claim that they have raised prices everywhere! LOL

Ask Saskpower for their costs of adding new gas, wind, solar, importing hydro from Manitoba, CCS for coal and then we will discuss the results.

You can also ask Bloomberg and the IEA for their numbers.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Still true everywhere. Until you can show an exception. I'm not holding my breath.

[pgluca]

chuckChuck you are living in a dream world if you think prices aren't going to increase. First you need nearly 100% backup for solar and wind installations because if you get a arctic high over the prairies and it is dark you have nothing but conventional. Your power bill is 66% infrastructure and other costs and 33% power, those cost are already there. Then you add very expensive turbines, connecting heavy underground lines, and upgraded and new transmission towers. Then you guarantee those companies a return on investment. Then you pay small producers at the same power rate for their intermittent power as for power from the grid. You have the added expense of integrating all this into the grid......you get the picture??

[sumdumguy]

Friends in Regina took the bait and invested in solar power, $25,000 + , used when they aren’t in Mesa or flying back and forth. Well, yesterday I was in their house, the floors, table, whole house very uncomfortably cold. Guess 6 hours of sun in three days does that. 🐖💨 My house is toasty with gas fireplace augmenting gas furnace. 👍

[chuckChuck]

Friends in Regina took the bait and invested in solar power, $25,000 + , used when they aren’t in Mesa or flying back and forth. Well, yesterday I was in their house, the floors, table, whole house very uncomfortably cold. Guess 6 hours of sun in three days does that. 🐖💨 My house is toasty with gas fireplace augmenting gas furnace. 👍

Huh? What heat source do they use? Maybe they turned the temperature down? When you are away for long periods there is no need to have the temperarure set at 20C!

[Guest]

chuckChuck you are living in a dream world if you think prices aren't going to increase. First you need nearly 100% backup for solar and wind installations because if you get a arctic high over the prairies and it is dark you have nothing but conventional. Your power bill is 66% infrastructure and other costs and 33% power, those cost are already there. Then you add very expensive turbines, connecting heavy underground lines, and upgraded and new transmission towers. Then you guarantee those companies a return on investment. Then you pay small producers at the same power rate for their intermittent power as for power from the grid. You have the added expense of integrating all this into the grid......you get the picture??

Now , now , musnt enter facts into a fairy tale story
They probably have their place but it sure as **** isnt in this deep freeze
For guys like mallee it might work great

[chuckChuck]

Still true everywhere. Until you can show an exception. I'm not holding my breath.

Still true everywhere! Hahaha. You made the original claim you prove it!

I never said that renewables won’t add some costs in some jurisdictions but not all. Bloomberg and the IEA have said solar and wind generation costs are coming down and are cheaper than many fossil sources. Storage is still expensive but that will also come down.

Are the IEA and Bloomberg wrong? There forecasts clearly show large investments in wind and solar. Sask power is also investing. Why?