Windfarm Blocked

[fjlip]

Or Al Gore, or Leonardo or GRETA the abused, or NOAA, or CBC, or EC deleted data replaced with "MODELS" of what should be...because all other stuff is deniers or paid for by OIL, or Republicans or Rednecks or Alt Right or Conservatives....

[chuckChuck]

https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D

Key Findings

"In most parts of the world today, renewables have become the lowest-cost source of new power generation. As costs continue to fall for solar and wind technologies, this will be true in a growing number of countries"

"Onshore wind and solar PV are set by 2020 to consistently offer a less expensive source of new electricity than the least-cost fossil fuel alternative, without financial assistance. Among projects due to be commissioned in 2020, 77% of the onshore wind and 83% of the utility-scale solar PV project capacity in the IRENA Auction and PPA Database have electricity prices that are lower than the cheapest fossil fuel-fired power generation option for new generation"

"New solar PV and onshore wind are expected to increasingly cost less than the marginal operating cost of existing coal fired power plants."

"Very low, and falling, costs of electricity for solar PV and onshore wind, as well as cost reductions for CSP and offshore wind until 2020 and beyond, make renewable power the competitive backbone of the global energy sector transformation."

[jazz]

So payback on renewables has dropped from 20 yrs to 19.5 yrs, yay will get right on that one. Still a job for govts and virtue signalling fools. And if electricity is going to fall in price along with this new technology, the payback will remain out of reach.

But hey economics you know, not a strong suit of the non productive class.

[chuckChuck]

"The global weighted-average cost of electricity from all commercially available renewable power generation technologies declined in 2018. The cost of electricity from CSP declined 26% year-on-year in 2018, followed by bioenergy (-14%), solar PV and onshore wind, both declined by 13%, hydropower (-11%), geothermal and offshore (-1%). Individual bioenergy, hydropower, onshore wind and solar PV projects now commonly undercut fossil fuel-fired power generation, without financial assistance."

https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D

[TASFarms]

https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D https://www.irena.org/-/media/Files/IRENA/Agency/Publication/2019/May/IRENA_Renewable-Power-Generations-Costs-in-2018.pdf?la=en&hash=99683CDDBC40A729A5F51C20DA7B6C 297F794C5D

Key Findings

"In most parts of the world today, renewables have become the lowest-cost source of new power generation. As costs continue to fall for solar and wind technologies, this will be true in a growing number of countries"

"Onshore wind and solar PV are set by 2020 to consistently offer a less expensive source of new electricity than the least-cost fossil fuel alternative, without financial assistance. Among projects due to be commissioned in 2020, 77% of the onshore wind and 83% of the utility-scale solar PV project capacity in the IRENA Auction and PPA Database have electricity prices that are lower than the cheapest fossil fuel-fired power generation option for new generation"

"New solar PV and onshore wind are expected to increasingly cost less than the marginal operating cost of existing coal fired power plants."

"Very low, and falling, costs of electricity for solar PV and onshore wind, as well as cost reductions for CSP and offshore wind until 2020 and beyond, make renewable power the competitive backbone of the global energy sector transformation."

That’s complete garbage. Who is paying you to post this crap? You didn’t watch the Peterson clip? We all know you still need full capacity power back up for renewables,

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, the same question as always Chuck, why does this cheap energy source never result in lower costs to the end user? If it is so much cheaper to produce, Ontario, Texas, California, Australia, UK, Germany etc. should be enjoying falling relative energy prices by now. Instead they (and every other area I've seem numbers for) are all rising much faster than average, and the only successes you can find are still in the future tense.

It would be really interesting to read the paper on China and find out the details. Do they have the same expectations as us, reliable electricity 24/7, or are they off the grid, and limiting their electricity consumption to daylight hours? The article said nothing of storage costs to achieve the lower overall costs.

[chuckChuck]

Hey A5 you said renewables raised the price everywhere! Not in China!

Solar power is now cheaper than the grid in hundreds of Chinese cities

London (CNN Business)Solar energy in hundreds of Chinese cities is now cheaper than electricity supplied by the national grid, and it can even compete with coal-fired power in 75 of them, a new study has found.
Some 344 Chinese cities were found to have solar systems producing energy at lower prices than the grid, without any subsidies, according to the research published in the journal Nature Energy. That could encourage further investment in renewable energy, according to the authors.
China has made huge progress in developing solar projects and pledged to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation — solar, wind, hydro and nuclear — from 2017-2020.

[chuckChuck]

That’s complete garbage. Who is paying you to post this crap? You didn’t watch the Peterson clip? We all know you still need full capacity power back up for renewables,

Jordan Bernt Peterson is a Canadian clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.

Need I say more about his qualifications when it comes to climate science?

He is only slightly more qualified than the astrologist forecaster.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hey A5 you said renewables raised the price everywhere! Not in China!

Solar power is now cheaper than the grid in hundreds of Chinese cities

London (CNN Business)Solar energy in hundreds of Chinese cities is now cheaper than electricity supplied by the national grid, and it can even compete with coal-fired power in 75 of them, a new study has found.
Some 344 Chinese cities were found to have solar systems producing energy at lower prices than the grid, without any subsidies, according to the research published in the journal Nature Energy. That could encourage further investment in renewable energy, according to the authors.
China has made huge progress in developing solar projects and pledged to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation — solar, wind, hydro and nuclear — from 2017-2020.

That is the same article you posted yesterday, and i debunked it above when I posted the excerpt from the abstract. Thank you once again for proving my point that you don't read anything anyone else posts.

dml posted an excellent description of confirmation bias today, I highly suggest you read it. You just made the same mistake twice in two days.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck will be on in the morning to tell you Dr Peterson is not a scientist and we should actually be listening to Bill Nye.

And right on Schedule, Chuck came along to say just that.