Windfarm Blocked

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So, the same question as always Chuck, why does this cheap energy source never result in lower costs to the end user? If it is so much cheaper to produce, Ontario, Texas, California, Australia, UK, Germany etc. should be enjoying falling relative energy prices by now. Instead they (and every other area I've seem numbers for) are all rising much faster than average, and the only successes you can find are still in the future tense.

It would be really interesting to read the paper on China and find out the details. Do they have the same expectations as us, reliable electricity 24/7, or are they off the grid, and limiting their electricity consumption to daylight hours? The article said nothing of storage costs to achieve the lower overall costs.

[chuckChuck]

Hey A5 you said renewables raised the price everywhere! Not in China!

Solar power is now cheaper than the grid in hundreds of Chinese cities

London (CNN Business)Solar energy in hundreds of Chinese cities is now cheaper than electricity supplied by the national grid, and it can even compete with coal-fired power in 75 of them, a new study has found.
Some 344 Chinese cities were found to have solar systems producing energy at lower prices than the grid, without any subsidies, according to the research published in the journal Nature Energy. That could encourage further investment in renewable energy, according to the authors.
China has made huge progress in developing solar projects and pledged to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation — solar, wind, hydro and nuclear — from 2017-2020.

[chuckChuck]

That’s complete garbage. Who is paying you to post this crap? You didn’t watch the Peterson clip? We all know you still need full capacity power back up for renewables,

Jordan Bernt Peterson is a Canadian clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.

Need I say more about his qualifications when it comes to climate science?

He is only slightly more qualified than the astrologist forecaster.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hey A5 you said renewables raised the price everywhere! Not in China!

Solar power is now cheaper than the grid in hundreds of Chinese cities

London (CNN Business)Solar energy in hundreds of Chinese cities is now cheaper than electricity supplied by the national grid, and it can even compete with coal-fired power in 75 of them, a new study has found.
Some 344 Chinese cities were found to have solar systems producing energy at lower prices than the grid, without any subsidies, according to the research published in the journal Nature Energy. That could encourage further investment in renewable energy, according to the authors.
China has made huge progress in developing solar projects and pledged to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation — solar, wind, hydro and nuclear — from 2017-2020.

That is the same article you posted yesterday, and i debunked it above when I posted the excerpt from the abstract. Thank you once again for proving my point that you don't read anything anyone else posts.

dml posted an excellent description of confirmation bias today, I highly suggest you read it. You just made the same mistake twice in two days.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck will be on in the morning to tell you Dr Peterson is not a scientist and we should actually be listening to Bill Nye.

And right on Schedule, Chuck came along to say just that.

[Guest]

Jordan Bernt Peterson is a Canadian clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.

Need I say more about his qualifications when it comes to climate science?

He is only slightly more qualified than the astrologist forecaster.

but a wee bit more qualified then greta

[Guest]

interesting , chucky made 25 replies between 6:45 and now, all morning long , and some were quite extensive, sounds like a job to me

[TASFarms]

Jordan Bernt Peterson is a Canadian clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.

Need I say more about his qualifications when it comes to climate science?

He is only slightly more qualified than the astrologist forecaster.

Strange that one needs a psychologist to debunk climate change. Who would of thought that lol

[jazz]

interesting , chucky made 25 replies between 6:45 and now, all morning long , and some were quite extensive, sounds like a job to me

And then nothing for rest of day.

Not a farmer, not even in this time zone. Has he ever mentioned anything about his operation. Nothing about prices or inputs or farm groups. Just 2 topics. Trump and climate.

Paid soros troll is my bet.

There was a report a few months ago exposing internet trolls paid by antifa and Soros and their only job was to sht post constantly. He is probably on some other forum right now spewing his drivel.

[Guest]

Well , if he is , soros not getting much value out of his cash

[chuckChuck]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-019-0441-z

City-level analysis of subsidy-free solar photovoltaic electricity price, profits and grid parity in China

Jinyue Yan, Ying Yang, Pietro Elia Campana & Jijiang He

Abstract

In recent years, China has become not just a large producer but a major market for solar photovoltaics (PV), increasing interest in solar electricity prices in China. The cost of solar PV electricity generation is affected by many local factors, making it a challenge to understand whether China has reached the threshold at which a grid-connected solar PV system supplies electricity to the end user at the same price as grid-supplied power or the price of desulfurized coal electricity, or even lower. Here, we analyse the net costs and net profits associated with building and operating a distributed solar PV project over its lifetime, taking into consideration total project investments, electricity outputs and trading prices in 344 prefecture-level Chinese cities. We reveal that all of these cities can achieve—without subsidies—solar PV electricity prices lower than grid-supplied prices, and around 22% of the cities’ solar generation electricity prices can compete with desulfurized coal benchmark electricity prices.

In this context "can achieve" refers to without subsidies. China recently moved to remove some subsidies for Solar PV

Jinyue Yan, a professor at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology, said this dazzling performance was accelerated by government subsidies, but also because the Chinese government invested too much in redundant construction and excess capacity. Since the government intended to take the photovoltaic industry to a more sustainable and efficient level of investment, after having adjusted the incentive policies with the new Chinese policy 531.

The subsidy cuts under this policy in the course of 2018 were a sign that the government wanted the renewable energy industry to depend less on government support and, therefore, change its approach to quality.

[fjlip]

"a professor of psychology"

That you people seriously need to see, so many minds are in need of major attention. Climate Scientists are NOT needed, intelligent reasoning totally DESTROYS the CULT.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So you have read the paper, and agree that is what the authors and their data are showing?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So you have read the paper, and agree that is what the authors and their data are showing?

I guess not. Thanks for trying though.