Why Aren’t more rms declaring ag disaster?

[helmsdale]

Anyone else feel like the alleged...
-not a farmer
-input supplier
-govt paper shuffler
Who did an epic mic drop earlier today in this thread maybe should have given us the courtesy of asking whether we wanted the blue pill or the red pill like morpheus in the matrix?

Tweety, I commend you sir on putting those thoughts out there on this forum. We've wandered around the edges of those topics, but FEW are truly aware.

Honestly, I think it deserves its own thread, and bear with us, your input would be appreciated. I'll get it rolling, as you certainly got my head spinning while driving home from med hat after hauling my last load of this years wheat. Honestly, my thoughts went far and wide, and I'm struggling to bring them back home to find a "logical endpoint" that I can work with in planning for the future of this STO farm.

[the big wheel]

The only farms doing well are the ones that haven’t had major disasters over and over. The programs don’t work people lose everything and rhen yes Simone else backs dny oil companies foreign countries or input capital types take over which covers up the rhe shitshow that is happenning.
Our area 3 farmers are packing it in 120
Years and now done. 3 years of drought it’s over. People on the area that have had multi year perfect weather talk big until it hits them then it’s over.

[Goodtime]

The only farms doing well are the ones that haven’t had major disasters over and over. The programs don’t work people lose everything and rhen yes Simone else backs dny oil companies foreign countries or input capital types take over which covers up the rhe shitshow that is happenning.
Our area 3 farmers are packing it in 120
Years and now done. 3 years of drought it’s over. People on the area that have had multi year perfect weather talk big until it hits them then it’s over.

I couldn't agree more with your comments....but I guess I am one of the whiny ones according to an earlier poster.....a lot of guys are only 50% done in our area....and no I can honestly say that most of these guys aren't subscribing to Fieldview, Farmers Edge etc etc etc, just hard working farmers trying to make a go of it and this isn't the first shit year in this area. The odd fellow might have a Platinum edition truck but I guess he doesn't deserve it or he better leave it at home if he attends a farm show....

[tweety]

VR was the opportunity to solidify the deal. Sure there may be some benefits - although i struggle to find solid evidence of ROI. In the latest Top Crop Manager is a good article on the economics, in the end for the farmer it's a wash. The extra costs and time are better just to add more inputs, rare cases are a benefit like binary fungicide application, lime etc. For data companies its a huge win.

What VR does provide, along with prescription mapping, is the ability for a company to now have access to the intimate details of your land. Production, fertility, application, area, land capability, risk assessment, etc. This data is beyond valuable in assessing your operation. It is not a coincidence that companies generate the maps for you, and that it is too complex for the farmer to do (it really isn't). Even if you do the maps at home, there is that pesky internet thing again. As WD disturbingly pointed out, it should be blatantly obvious that with that cell phone in hand, your IP address, and mac address, you are a walking neon sign in the digital world. You are a valuable money making neon sign worthy to be monitored and you are. Hopefully WD9 can talk about trackers, apps, scary shit.

Imagine if you could see Nutrien's quantity of stock, markup value, purchase cost, units sold, inventory overhead. How much better would you be able to negotiate a price for inputs? Well, they can see yours.

So maybe think twice about what you are giving up for getting nothing really tangible in the end. Auto steer and section control are 95% of all the value of the technology invented for agriculture in the last 25 years. The rest is to extract more from what would have been your net income. The goal is to capture as much of that as possible since there really are no new products that improve production.

Climate was initially a climate company. They wanted to provide models for predicting yields and outcome as a service to farmers. Corn and soybean models were attempted, fairly good weather models attempted. But the shift occurred when Monsanto purchased them. This was the same time data collection was coming on stream and proven extremely lucrative for businesses to know what their customer was interested in. The focus on weather modelling was dropped, all the smart people that started Climate left, crop modelling stopped, never was or never will be a canola model. Since your Canbus contains all the information - like being able to log into the secure network at Nutrien - all the data can be easily recorded. Why yes you need an ipad to run it. Of course you do, Apple are the leaders in harvesting data, sending data without your knowledge. They wrote the book on it.

So everywhere that ipad goes it will eventually connect to a wifi, download anything it wants along with all the identification, and you will never know any better. The thing to do is stop recording it for them in the first place. The privacy policy has changed. Initially a firewall between climate and monsanto, you just clicked agree to an update where that is gone a couple years later. Did you read the agreement? Certain no. Also Climate has a "free" subscription now. Most farmers wouldn't see much of a benefit to it to pay for the subscription, so just give it for free. After all, that isn't where the money is.

Bayer bought the whole mess. To make your farming experience more enjoyable they are coming out with share the risk. Yet another perfect carrot in the mission to find out everything you do. Just the beginning of pricing programs. Now you definitely need a good tracking of the field, inputs, yield... etc to determine it was higher or lower with the product applied. i agree with WD9's prediction, pricing will depend on data harvesting.

Climate Corp, aWare, Farmlogs, OnFarm, Farmers Edge, Agribotix, AgDNA, Conservis, a hundred more all say the same thing. "You the farmer own your data". That's bull. No one owns the data. "All we do is aggregate for the benefit of the farmer." BS again. All data is identifiable right to the finest detail, anonymous data does not exist.

Don't be f-u-c-k-ing stupid. None of it is for your benefit. It is really simple, if there isn't a return of 5 to 10 - like fertilizer or herbicide, don't use it. We grow a wholesale raw product that hasn't changed in thousands of years. Start farming today with that very simple fact in mind.