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    The talk about climate change is taking an ominous tone. Calls for widespread central planning to force people to comply. I cannot believe this is Marxism is rising from the ashes again.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-climate-crisis-is-like-a-world-war-so-lets-talk-about-rationing/ The climate crisis is like a world war. So let’s talk about rationing
    It’s time for mandatory cutbacks on the kinds of consumption that threaten all of us

    Intervening in the market to dampen consumer demand and emissions has been proposed before. In B.C. and elsewhere, we have carbon taxes on fossil fuels. Internationally, some jurisdictions have imposed taxes on meat.
    As for more ambitious programs, in 2006 British Environment Minister David Miliband recommended widespread rationing to limit personal carbon emissions. Officials explored the possibility but felt citizens would never agree to it. Here and there leaders have considered personal carbon allowances, tradeable energy quotas and carbon entitlements. In the early 2000s, British activists formed Carbon Rationing Action Groups, which helped individuals lower their footprints but were hard to administer without legal frameworks. The ideas were ahead of their time.
    Now, however, there’s awareness and a hunger for action. A recent Canadian poll shows that three-quarters of respondents are “worried” about climate change and 42 per cent believe it is now “an emergency.” That research from Abacus Data was commissioned by policy analyst Seth Klein for his forthcoming book on mobilizing Canada for the climate crisis. In the United States, polls say it’s a top issue and that citizens want the government to act. In Britain more than a decade ago, commentator George Monbiot called for personal carbon rationing. More recently, Guardian writer Sonia Sodha confessed that she talks a good environmental game but burns a lot of fossil fuels. She suggests legal limits be implemented on her and the rest of us. We’re not bad people, she says. Just human.

    #2
    After reading the article I have a few thoughts. It's interesting to me that intelligent people believe you could create a system of rationing consumption without ending up with a centrally planned communist system. If you dictate a reduction in the consumption of beef by consumers you would then have to dictate a reduction in production. It would be an ever widening circle. The apparent failure of COP25 to negotiate larger commitments on GHG emission reductions has certainly thrown those who are fanatical about climate change into quite a hissy fit. Certainly in Canada if we mandated that Canadian farmers only supply domestic demand and ended all exports of food it would turn agriculture upside down. Machinery dealerships, grain elevators, crop input suppliers, the loss of jobs would be hard to fathom.

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      #3
      It's funny, because I was talking to someone this fall and said facetiously that this would be the next step in the envirowackos fight.

      I have some suggestions where we can trim back activities, private jets banned, movies filmed all over the world banned, flying to climate conferences banned, private yachts banned, perhaps homes over 5 or 6,000 sq ft should pay a climate surtax. If they curtail the activities of the uberwealthy and those that fly all over the world to protest and tell governments how they should think, it might be a start.

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        #4
        Originally posted by LEP View Post
        It's funny, because I was talking to someone this fall and said facetiously that this would be the next step in the envirowackos fight.

        I have some suggestions where we can trim back activities, private jets banned, movies filmed all over the world banned, flying to climate conferences banned, private yachts banned, perhaps homes over 5 or 6,000 sq ft should pay a climate surtax. If they curtail the activities of the uberwealthy and those that fly all over the world to protest and tell governments how they should think, it might be a start.
        People have already accept that unholy hypocrisy by the elites and they are still out their crying about climate. That wont change the needle.

        A carbon tax is one thing, but a carbon budget is a whole other can of worms. That would hit all sectors of the economy including primary manufacturing and production. These guys are truly trying to go back to caves. The climate woke are in for a big surprise one day.
        Last edited by jazz; Dec 15, 2019, 09:51.

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          #5
          And now they dont even try to hide the socialist agenda behind it.

          https://outline.com/vwkXSj Why the left loves a climate crisis

          But there are voices pushing back too.

          Brooks may be right about the U.S. and maybe Canada. Among the people who do not want a Green New Deal is Canadian union leader Leo Gerard, the long-time head of the United Steelworkers of America. In a recent interview with CBC radio, Gerard brought a little common sense to the climate crisis. “The reality is that you’re going to need fossil fuels for at least the next hundred years. What we need to do is, do it in a way that’s going to reduce emissions, capture carbon and be healthy to the environment.”

          Gerard said that proposals to ban the mining industry, as occurred during the past U.S. election, demonstrate a lack of economic knowledge and understanding. “You can’t build a wind turbine without one to two tons of copper and cement to hold it down. You can’t do solar panels without aluminum and glass, which is made with sand. You have to mine sand.’

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            #6
            Originally posted by LEP View Post
            It's funny, because I was talking to someone this fall and said facetiously that this would be the next step in the envirowackos fight.

            I have some suggestions where we can trim back activities, private jets banned, movies filmed all over the world banned, flying to climate conferences banned, private yachts banned, perhaps homes over 5 or 6,000 sq ft should pay a climate surtax. If they curtail the activities of the uberwealthy and those that fly all over the world to protest and tell governments how they should think, it might be a start.
            I agree, also shut down cruise liners, and the likes of disney world (attracts a lot of international air travel). What about all the V8 pick up trucks on the road that are never used as a truck, just used to commute to work from the burbs. If you dont have a business case for a big truck, then tax it. Governments too lazy to implement effective solutions.

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              #7
              The ignorance of unintended consequences is just astounding. If in any doubt, reread Grassfarmers thread about the NFU article for solving all of our problems. The suggestions that we can legislate farms to prosperity, with price controls of various types. So imagine that you magically through generous government intervention, raise a farmers income to 10 times what it was. The farmer will respond accordingly, and invest that surplus in more land, bigger, newer machinery, more inputs to make even more. Until their income is back to what they consider adequate, so price controls or quotas will be necessary on all of those assets and inputs to keep the farmers profit where it is supposed to be, Now the input suppliers will need to be regulated to keep their products at the desired value, and on down the line in both directions until the entire economy is under central control( or what is left of the economy anyways).

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                #8
                Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                The ignorance of unintended consequences is just astounding.
                And socialists just assume that primary producers and the like will just accept this and go on producing the products under the new regime. That wont happen and even further shortages will occur.

                The stunning lack of sense and basic education in our society is staggering.

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                  #9
                  And the beat goes on......

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                    #10
                    Brainwashed kids go NUTS in Saskatchewan too...
                    https://outline.com/6CrtWs https://outline.com/6CrtWs

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                      #11
                      Climate was nice way back when Vikings settled in Greenland till it got COLD! WTF colder is NOT better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4Pz1mwBao&list=FLXfrZ7gZnXa70Cf3LWNrqtg& index=15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4Pz1mwBao&list=FLXfrZ7gZnXa70Cf3LWNrqtg& index=15

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                        #12
                        https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50799905 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50799905

                        This article smells like spin of a total failure to get any real action from the big players at Madrid.

                        Example:

                        "Major players who needed to deliver in Madrid did not live up to expectations, but thanks to a progressive alliance of small island states, European, African and Latin American countries, we obtained the best possible outcome, against the will of big polluters."

                        And:

                        "Thankfully the weak rules on a market based mechanism, promoted by Brazil and Australia, that would have undermined efforts to reduce emissions has been shelved and the fight on that can continue next year at COP26 in Glasgow," said Mohamed Adow, with the group Power Shift Africa.

                        Just short of saying it ain't happening! Get over it!

                        But we will soldier on. We're boy scouts.

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                          #13
                          Saint Greta saves, even 45 years from now...Click image for larger version

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                          Tough old girl

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                            #14
                            I cant dissagre with all that is said here but I didnt see 1 possible solution,do you all think there isnt conqences to what we are doing now.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Horse View Post
                              I cant dissagre with all that is said here but I didnt see 1 possible solution,do you all think there isnt conqences to what we are doing now.
                              The closest thing we have to sustainable, no CO2, reliable, clean energy available as of today is nuclear, but the greens won't even consider that. Until either the greens start acting like they care about the consequences which they so feverishly insist exist, or else get out of the way so rational evidence based decisions can be made, actual, practicable solutions are not allowed to even be mentioned.

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