Electric car sales

[Guest]

I can't wait to see the new F150 all electric that pulled over a million pounds on rail as a protype. We might see it as early as 2021!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFHgoon7lg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFHgoon7lg

From the you tube comments:

Math is fun! This video shows the importance of rolling resistance coefficients. Ford chose a railway for a reason, CRR of ~0.0015, meaning they only needed a 1,875 lb-force from the truck in order to move the train. If they towed same weight on road tires, which have CRR 10x that of railways (~0.015) it would have taken an 18,750 lb force to move. Far more than the F150 weighs, so it would have sat still. Railway gives the illusion of impossible, when in reality it’s what makes it possible. Neat!
Edit: Lots of comments about the tow strap, it actually doesn't need to be rated all that high (see math above, 2,000 lbs will do).

According to the youtube comments , govts that allowed rail lines to be tore up sure are simple

[Hamloc]

EVs are going to be expensive to buy until costs come down but maintenance costs will be very low and charged by solar PV systems, the cost of energy will be low and cleaner.

So let me get this straight, I usually run to town during the day so I would charge the vehicle at night, no sunlight on my solar panel at night, hmmm. Oh right batteries are getting cheaper. So I look for a price on a Tesla powerwall 2. Can't find a price online in Canada, U.S. price is $6700USD. Interesting enough when the powerwall 2 first came out it was $5500 USD. The price increased in April 2018. Goes against your narrative about how renewables keep getting cheaper.

Anyway you always talk about how solar with battery back up is getting cheaper. My farms average consumption per day in the winter time is 70 kwh per day. I remember reading about designing an off the grid system and it said you should have 3 days worth of storage. Well I would need 10 Tesla powerwalls just to store enough electricity for one day(each powerwall yields 7 kwh per charge) at roughly $9000 CAD a piece, and that doesn't include hook up and related hardware. Now of course Chuck you will tell me it is cheaper for a grid tie installation but remember you are also constantly telling us that solar with battery back up is the cheapest form of electrical generation, I call bullshit!!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

EVs are going to be expensive to buy until costs come down but maintenance costs will be very low and charged by solar PV systems, the cost of energy will be low and cleaner.

No they are not, total world electricity generation by solar is around 2%. EV's are, and will be powered by fossil fuels. A non solution, to a non problem. And as long as our grid costs are being sabotaged by those irrelevant but vastly more expensive unreliable, electric cars won't even be cheaper than ICE to operate, which they should be vastly cheaper due to free natural gas.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck, why post an out of date article when up to date information is available showing a worldwide decline in EV's lately. led by China showing a 32% year over year collapse already due to (you'll never guess) removal of subsidies...

Why not do your own independent research, instead of repeating the same old propaganda, and end up looking like a fool all over again?

IEA May 2019. That report is only 6 months old. Although the data is probably out of date now. But the trends are firmly established.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So let me get this straight, I usually run to town during the day so I would charge the vehicle at night, no sunlight on my solar panel at night, hmmm. Oh right batteries are getting cheaper. So I look for a price on a Tesla powerwall 2. Can't find a price online in Canada, U.S. price is $6700USD. Interesting enough when the powerwall 2 first came out it was $5500 USD. The price increased in April 2018. Goes against your narrative about how renewables keep getting cheaper.

Anyway you always talk about how solar with battery back up is getting cheaper. My farms average consumption per day in the winter time is 70 kwh per day. I remember reading about designing an off the grid system and it said you should have 3 days worth of storage. Well I would need 10 Tesla powerwalls just to store enough electricity for one day(each powerwall yields 7 kwh per charge) at roughly $9000 CAD a piece, and that doesn't include hook up and related hardware. Now of course Chuck you will tell me it is cheaper for a grid tie installation but remember you are also constantly telling us that solar with battery back up is the cheapest form of electrical generation, I call bullshit!!!!

Well said, and remember the real world application of solar I posted a while back, where they concluded that they needed 3 MONTHS of storage to make it reliable. Do the math on how many powerwalls that requires, if you want to keep your electric vehicle charged all winter.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

IEA May 2019. That report is only 6 months old. Although the data is probably out of date now. But the trends are firmly established.

No, they are not. They are declining. The trend was only due to subsidies.

[chuckChuck]

So let me get this straight, I usually run to town during the day so I would charge the vehicle at night, no sunlight on my solar panel at night, hmmm. Oh right batteries are getting cheaper. So I look for a price on a Tesla powerwall 2. Can't find a price online in Canada, U.S. price is $6700USD. Interesting enough when the powerwall 2 first came out it was $5500 USD. The price increased in April 2018. Goes against your narrative about how renewables keep getting cheaper.

Anyway you always talk about how solar with battery back up is getting cheaper. My farms average consumption per day in the winter time is 70 kwh per day. I remember reading about designing an off the grid system and it said you should have 3 days worth of storage. Well I would need 10 Tesla powerwalls just to store enough electricity for one day(each powerwall yields 7 kwh per charge) at roughly $9000 CAD a piece, and that doesn't include hook up and related hardware. Now of course Chuck you will tell me it is cheaper for a grid tie installation but remember you are also constantly telling us that solar with battery back up is the cheapest form of electrical generation, I call bullshit!!!!

I have never said solar with battery backup is the cheapest form of generation. Batteries are too expensive yet. There are other forms of backup being used as well. Solar on its own is one of the cheapest forms of intermittent generation. We still need backup from hydro, wind or fossil fuels.

Most vehicles used for work are parked all day and can be charged while the sun is shining. Canada is only a small market. California and the USA in general are much sunnier and are already using more EVs

[chuckChuck]

No, they are not. They are declining. The trend was only due to subsidies.

You better tell all the car makers to cancel their EV plans!

Subsidies are used to get industries going. They are not needed to sustain industries once they get the costs down and reach a critical mass.

The oil sands technology development was subsidized by the Lougheed government and fossil fuels still receive many subsidies and incentives.

When are you going to advocate for cutting subsidies to the fossil fuel industries?

[Hamloc]

I have never said solar with battery backup is the cheapest form of generation. Batteries are too expensive yet. There are other forms of backup being used as well. Solar on its own is one of the cheapest forms of intermittent generation. We still need backup from hydro, wind or fossil fuels.

Most vehicles used for work are parked all day and can be charged while the sun is shining. Canada is only a small market. California and the USA in general are much sunnier and are already using more EVs

Just about every article I read suggests charging your EV between 11 pm and 7 am due to the fact that electricity is cheapest during this time period.

[chuckChuck]

Just about every article I read suggests charging your EV between 11 pm and 7 am due to the fact that electricity is cheapest during this time period.

In an unregulated market that may be true. But Quebec, Manitoba, BC all have low electricity prices with lots of Hydro so timing of charging is not as important.

If prices are higher because of high demand during the day that is when the sun is shining in sunny places so low cost excess solar may be quite beneficial. Southern states see peak demand during the heat of summer for cooling which coincides with higher solar output.