Electric car sales

[AlbertaFarmer5]

IEA May 2019. That report is only 6 months old. Although the data is probably out of date now. But the trends are firmly established.

No, they are not. They are declining. The trend was only due to subsidies.

[chuckChuck]

So let me get this straight, I usually run to town during the day so I would charge the vehicle at night, no sunlight on my solar panel at night, hmmm. Oh right batteries are getting cheaper. So I look for a price on a Tesla powerwall 2. Can't find a price online in Canada, U.S. price is $6700USD. Interesting enough when the powerwall 2 first came out it was $5500 USD. The price increased in April 2018. Goes against your narrative about how renewables keep getting cheaper.

Anyway you always talk about how solar with battery back up is getting cheaper. My farms average consumption per day in the winter time is 70 kwh per day. I remember reading about designing an off the grid system and it said you should have 3 days worth of storage. Well I would need 10 Tesla powerwalls just to store enough electricity for one day(each powerwall yields 7 kwh per charge) at roughly $9000 CAD a piece, and that doesn't include hook up and related hardware. Now of course Chuck you will tell me it is cheaper for a grid tie installation but remember you are also constantly telling us that solar with battery back up is the cheapest form of electrical generation, I call bullshit!!!!

I have never said solar with battery backup is the cheapest form of generation. Batteries are too expensive yet. There are other forms of backup being used as well. Solar on its own is one of the cheapest forms of intermittent generation. We still need backup from hydro, wind or fossil fuels.

Most vehicles used for work are parked all day and can be charged while the sun is shining. Canada is only a small market. California and the USA in general are much sunnier and are already using more EVs

[chuckChuck]

No, they are not. They are declining. The trend was only due to subsidies.

You better tell all the car makers to cancel their EV plans!

Subsidies are used to get industries going. They are not needed to sustain industries once they get the costs down and reach a critical mass.

The oil sands technology development was subsidized by the Lougheed government and fossil fuels still receive many subsidies and incentives.

When are you going to advocate for cutting subsidies to the fossil fuel industries?

[Hamloc]

I have never said solar with battery backup is the cheapest form of generation. Batteries are too expensive yet. There are other forms of backup being used as well. Solar on its own is one of the cheapest forms of intermittent generation. We still need backup from hydro, wind or fossil fuels.

Most vehicles used for work are parked all day and can be charged while the sun is shining. Canada is only a small market. California and the USA in general are much sunnier and are already using more EVs

Just about every article I read suggests charging your EV between 11 pm and 7 am due to the fact that electricity is cheapest during this time period.

[chuckChuck]

Just about every article I read suggests charging your EV between 11 pm and 7 am due to the fact that electricity is cheapest during this time period.

In an unregulated market that may be true. But Quebec, Manitoba, BC all have low electricity prices with lots of Hydro so timing of charging is not as important.

If prices are higher because of high demand during the day that is when the sun is shining in sunny places so low cost excess solar may be quite beneficial. Southern states see peak demand during the heat of summer for cooling which coincides with higher solar output.

[furrowtickler]

Why not charge the EV with a bio diesel gen set that could also run everything else on the farm ?
Run it off pure canola oil . You can buy small extractors from Europe to make the bio diesel.
Make it a closed loop system .
Would be far more reliable than a very expensive solar / battery set up and by far more useful for all the real power needed on a farm.


Chuck the only way EV and battery storage will ever be affordable will be off the back of carbon tax when it gets to $200/tn.
I am sure that’s what end game your seeing but have not admitted it yet .
But by then most of us will be out of farming, carbon tax at that level will decimate every farm in Canada , unless we farm like the Amish.

Also true regenerative farming will only work if livestock are involved. Well the very same radical groups calling for an end to fossil fuels want an end to all livestock producers. So that’s a lose lose situation.

It is strange how the push is for a cleaner environment by reducing fossil fuels is rampant but zero is mentioned about the massive strip mining being done to get rare earth minerals needed for batteries and solar panels that have a relatively short life span. And will be a huge cost for proper disposal and or recycling.
Those big mines are all being operated by huge fossil fuel burning machines too boot lol

Net effect of climate change will be very minuscule , even if fossil fuels are drastically reduced.

[jazz]

Why not charge the EV with a bio diesel gen set that could also run everything else on the farm ?
Run it off pure canola oil . You can buy small extractors from Europe to make the bio diesel.
Make it a closed loop system .
Would be far more reliable than a very expensive solar / battery set up and by far more useful for all the real power needed on a farm.

The massive transmission lines needed to bring hydro to where people live will never be allowed. They are the next green boondoggle to be blocked. Same as solar. Sure there will be like 5% of the NA population lives somewhere sunny enough to charge their car overnight using rooftop solar. But the rest will still be relying on that grid which will still need to be back by a liquid fuel or nuclear option, period.

The utilities are blocking small scale generation onto their grids. They don't want a bunch of mom and pops generating a few kw here and there. Makes managing the system near impossible. The have high interconnection costs and high standard on the quality of the power. That's the same reason EVs are made to plug in but cant reverse back to the grid. They don't want that power. An EV charged with a biodiesel type fuel and then excess dumped back to the grid could put power (and oil) companies out of business.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You better tell all the car makers to cancel their EV plans!

It's funny, how often you use this line as an argument, because as a card carrying member of the party, you no doubt believe that this is how it should be done. That private businesses need to be told what to do. Business, research, and individual preferences all need to be directed by decree in order to achieve the goals of the 5 year plan.

[tweety]

That actually would make sense for all road tax. But I'd bet it becomes all automated when your car reports on it's own.

And which rode it drove down, and how fast, and how many people, and were they wearing seatbelts, and....

What do you mean "When it happens" LOLOLOLOL

But its really only been happening since onStar and Sirius XM. Only since 1996. Anyone remember the track your spouse for 12 cents a day program called Family Link?

I'm so annoying spoiling everything.

[Taiga]

Exactly the same as the wind farm projects that happened over the last decade, not economical on their own without the subsidies.

[Guest]

Why dont they build an EV out of a solar panel with a wind charger on board and charges off the drive train as well ?
It would take extra power for fan resistance and to drive charging system , but ........ ?

[SASKFARMER]

I want one of those Tesla Trucks.

Not it’s more ugly than my new Denali.

[tweety]

Why dont they build an EV out of a solar panel with a wind charger on board and charges off the drive train as well ?
It would take extra power for fan resistance and to drive charging system , but ........ ?

Because you would need 330 full size panels, about 6000 sq ft to charge the 85 kwh pack while driving

[Guest]

so not like on the sci fi movies then ?
but seriously , does an EV charge at all while driving , or could they ? i'm not really upon this stuff at all?

[Guest]

Because you would need 330 full size panels, about 6000 sq ft to charge the 85 kwh pack while driving

lots of resistance, then ,lol