Wind Turbines

[chuckChuck]

Why not stop subsidizing fossil fuels?

There are many direct and indirect subsidies to fossil fuels and large hidden costs from pollution and climate change.

Peter Lougheed invested taxpayers money in developing and supporting the oil sands in the early years of development. Why didn't he let them fail or succeed on their own?

Why then is it wrong to invest in developing low carbon energy sources that will reduce carbon emissions?

[bucket]

Electric vehicles still use the highways right?


So while the taxes I pay on fuel are suppose to go to the roads ....nothing exists for EVs. ...plus they get a subsidy for the purchase...


Do you want to debate subsidies?

[chuckChuck]

Easy fix. Find a tax that can be applied to EVs to pay for their share the road system.

We should be making users pay for the road system rather than a subsidized public road system that encourages heavy trucking on roads instead of using the rail system to move heavy freight long distances.

Maybe we should make the rail system public so that we can have competition on rails instead of the duopoly we have now?

It would be a good investment in infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions. Why public roads and a private rail system which provides poor service?

[sk_wheatking]

Easy fix. Find a tax that can be applied to EVs to pay for their share the road system.

We should be making users pay for the road system rather than a subsidized public road system that encourages heavy trucking on roads instead of using the rail system to move heavy freight long distances.

Maybe we should make the rail system public so that we can have competition on rails instead of the duopoly we have now?

It would be a good investment in infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions. Why public roads and a private rail system which provides poor service?

I agree, let's have multiple wind turbines right beside your house, afterall you think it's so great, you would welcome as many as possible beside you.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

or a breakthrough in battery chemistry, for example. In this case, combined solar and battery storage plants would be a very compelling economic and environmental proposition, reducing sharply India’s projected investment in new coal-fired power plants.

In other words, all of their projections are based on a technological miracle that doesn't yet exist, isn't on the drawing board, and as of today, likely isn't physically possible. So read that statement first, then read the rest of the article in its proper context.

[chuckChuck]

In other words, all of their projections are based on a technological miracle that doesn't yet exist, isn't on the drawing board, and as of today, likely isn't physically possible. So read that statement first, then read the rest of the article in its proper context.

If you say so! 😊
many private and public engineers are working on batteries and other storage systems worldwide.

So the outcome is still uncertain as to cost and capacity. We are in the early years of more recent battery innovations and implementations.

Many battery powered things that we use everyday are already much better than they were even a few years ago.

[chuckChuck]

I agree, let's have multiple wind turbines right beside your house, afterall you think it's so great, you would welcome as many as possible beside you.

They should go where the wind resource is good and away from residences. SW Saskatchewan has lots of unpopulated open areas with good prospects for wind energy.

[Hamloc]

The Federal government gave each province the option of setting up their plan to suit their unique circumstances as long as it met the federal minimum . Some chose not to do anything and had the federal plan imposed. That is why we have a patchwork of different plans.

Alberta and Saskatchewan both have carbon taxes on large emitters. Even though they say the don't support carbon taxes. Go figure?

Not one province is opposed to reducing carbon emissions. They all have a plan of some sort.

Ok Chuck why then is is the federal minimum different in eastern Canada then western Canada? In western Canada the federal minimum is a carbon tax on heating fuel, in eastern Canada Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland no carbon tax on heating fuel. In western Canada $20 per tonne minimum on gasoline which translates into 4.42 cents per litre. Again in PEI and Nova Scotia only 1 cent a litre, raising to 2 cents by 2022 I believe. I thought climate action wasn't negotiable?

[chuckChuck]

Ok Chuck why then is is the federal minimum different in eastern Canada then western Canada? In western Canada the federal minimum is a carbon tax on heating fuel, in eastern Canada Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland no carbon tax on heating fuel. In western Canada $20 per tonne minimum on gasoline which translates into 4.42 cents per litre. Again in PEI and Nova Scotia only 1 cent a litre, raising to 2 cents by 2022 I believe. I thought climate action wasn't negotiable?

Ask the Feds I didn't design the program. A carbon tax is only one tool among many. Regulations and changes to building codes would be other options.

Why are you worried about equal application when the provinces have a say as well?

Do you believe we should do nothing? Or what would you do?

[Hamloc]

Ask the Feds I didn't design the program. A carbon tax is only one tool among many. Regulations and changes to building codes would be other options.

Why are you worried about equal application when the provinces have a say as well?

Do you believe we should do nothing? Or what would you do?

There is no doubt that the fossil fuel resources on earth are finite and should be treated as such. There is also no doubt in my mind that the climate change movement is more about increasing the size, influence and reach of government than it is about the environment. Inevitably at some point technology will create some new method of powering our society. I don't believe solar and wind is the answer. I have absolutely no problem with it being used as a supplementary power source to lower our use of fossil fuel generated electricity but I think at present it is not the answer.

On the farm there is certainly some room to improve efficiency. But I don't at present believe there are viable alternatives to heating my buildings and drying my grain with natural gas. Therefore taxing these inputs is simply penalizing me for living with no real benefit except increasing government revenue.

As far as equal application across provinces, you yourself said that provinces must meet federally set minimums, well Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland and NewBrunswick have been allowed to selectively avoid these set minimums. We are always told that emissions don't stay in the jurisdiction where they are generated, therefore if I have to pay a $20 a tonne C02 tax in Alberta on gasoline, they should pay the same in the Maritimes.

[furrowtickler]

There is no doubt that the fossil fuel resources on earth are finite and should be treated as such. There is also no doubt in my mind that the climate change movement is more about increasing the size, influence and reach of government than it is about the environment. Inevitably at some point technology will create some new method of powering our society. I don't believe solar and wind is the answer. I have absolutely no problem with it being used as a supplementary power source to lower our use of fossil fuel generated electricity but I think at present it is not the answer.

On the farm there is certainly some room to improve efficiency. But I don't at present believe there are viable alternatives to heating my buildings and drying my grain with natural gas. Therefore taxing these inputs is simply penalizing me for living with no real benefit except increasing government revenue.

As far as equal application across provinces, you yourself said that provinces must meet federally set minimums, well Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland and NewBrunswick have been allowed to selectively avoid these set minimums. We are always told that emissions don't stay in the jurisdiction where they are generated, therefore if I have to pay a $20 a tonne C02 tax in Alberta on gasoline, they should pay the same in the Maritimes.

Excellent post ☝️

[Guest]

But they voted liberal
We didnt
As cluck cluck said , its just politics

[Guest]

As far as efficiency goes , i think we are using twice as much fuel as twenty years ago per acre
And this tier 4 shit just makes us use even more

[parsley]

“....As far as equal application across provinces, you yourself said that provinces must meet federally set minimums, well Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland and NewBrunswick have been allowed to selectively avoid these set minimums. We are always told that emissions don't stay in the jurisdiction where they are generated, therefore if I have to pay a $20 a tonne C02 tax in Alberta on gasoline, they should pay the same in the Maritimes.”

Well said Hamloc.

But we can all
Smell the smell of a scam. And that’s what this is about... a scam.

And it’s goin’ down.

[bucket]

As far as efficiency goes , i think we are using twice as much fuel as twenty years ago per acre
And this tier 4 shit just makes us use even more

Seems odd to burn more fuel to be cleaner emissions on tractor only to send the emissions back to the refinery...


But remember this....a tractor at rest doesn't pollute. ..less hours is where the real reduction in emissions is gained...

No scientist has done that math....